This is getting even more distrubing if that's possible......the similarities to communism/fascism are striking. The "senior" police here are crackpots. I really wonder how many of the upper echelons of the force are communists/fascists. The public should be able to have some influence over the police and hold some power over their appointments:

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"During a meeting with two leading victims groups yesterday, senior police said protesters would also have to include details of their planned messages

Protesting without police clearance could result in demonstrators being charged under extraordinary new powers"
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Police are wanting to pre-approve or grant 'permission' to planned messages. Read that a couple of times.

The REAL churches Oliver Ive found arent into anything political.

The "political" is the fools alternative to faith in Jesus...wholly and solely faith in Him.

I live in the small christian churches where the focus is on Jesus and The Gifts of The Holy Spirit.
We look to helping folk with disease and addiction and spirit bondages by preaching Jesus as the Answer.
The Anglicans today are mostly owned by the RC empire... and dont really preach a full trust in The Lord.
Remember the great endtimes RC controlled ONE WORLD CHURCH.
All over again we will see Inquistion.

Gibo,

Do you see God, Jesus, each Christian Church, as separate constructs, each with their own internal consistencies? Is dogma similar across all?

Thanks.

Basic Christian dogma Oliver, in the christian churches, seems to me to be simply a faith in Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross.
We receive what He did by asking Him to be Lord and Saviour of our lives... and He sends The Holy Spirit to Comfort us and establish His Gifts within us.

Many churches have gone away from this simplicity to just about every alternative and many have lost The Spirit and the preaching of Jesus.
You can find churches today doing good community works with diminished preaching.
Some have gone over to political things and forgotten what they were Given Life to do.
In the RC empire you can find anything.
Huge powerplays, very little preaching of faith in Jesus Christ and heaps of preaching of faith in the Pope and "the church", the worship of Mary that displaces her Son Jesus and all that He did, the worship of idols, the exhaltation of mere men they call "saints", secret societies and all they do, a Black Pope (some suggest...look up Black Pope), a global plan to keep third world countries poor and bound to the church by drawing the people to priests for the forgiveness of sins...
Christianity is so simple.
Its really nothing much more, initially as you receive The Lord, than a personal relationship with Him and His Spirit.
You and HE...HE and you.
SIMPLE as pie!

Steel "Police are wanting to pre-approve or grant 'permission' to planned messages."

YES, THAT IS HOW A POLICE STATE WORKS

and it is an Abomination.

Who here would criticise the actions of Mugabe on the matter of his record on freedom of association and freedom of expression?

who can see anything different between

Police pre-approval of messages (which equals vetoing of messages)

and what Mugabe has got up to with Morgan Tsvangirai and the MDC?

Apart from actually using drawn batons and torches, Please post if you can distinguish between the two.

Steel,

>> “This is getting even more distrubing if that's possible......the similarities to communism/fascism are striking.”

The similarities to communism/facism are striking. Well are they really. No Sh!t??

This kind of squealing from the soft-left usually indicates that the government has actually got something right.

“Our civil rights are being eroded.” They cry. What they actually mean is that they can’t wear their “F@CK JESUS” T-shirt down to the world youth day and get away with that kind of ugly baiting anymore. You can be sure these nutters would have you in jail if you went down and stirred up a muslim event like that.

Steel, you might try living in a totalitarian state like Amedinejhad’s Iran or the Gaza strip, under Hamas. We are SO FAR from a real police state that I can see why you might be confused. Having NEVER experienced anything like a police state in this country, you might be excused for NOT KNOWING WHAT ONE WAS, EVEN IF IT JUMPED UP AND BIT YOU.