mjpb, " suspect Christianity often doesn't get a fair deal because atheists see things like Gibos attacks on another mainstream Christian Church and think that Christians are an unpalatable bunch all at war who need to be kept at arms length."

From my perspective (agnostic not athiest) my respect for christains goes up when you stand up and be counted against the extremists. Far too few christains on these forums have had the courage to challenge Gibo (Philo being a notable exception). Silence and ignoring differences with those such as Gibo makes you look bad, making it clear that you and your faith are different helps your case.

If christains were at the forefront of rebutting "christian" extremists others of us might be able to pay less attention to them.

R0bert

mjpb

"and think that Christians are an unpalatable bunch all at war who need to be kept at arms length."
Does that 'length' include a bayonet?

Gibo

I think you to be on the right track as far as "world-order" is concerned.Fighting for freedom is needed here. Any religious sentiment or thoughts are "anti-freedom" as one follows someone else's thoughts,laws and writings.All religions were thought of by one person per sect and being ridiculed first by the masses then when power was obtained by coercion a separation between peoples were established with the result of wars forever after.
This (provoking uproar)in fact is being used by the elite to come in at the end to force us into slavery.
The elite is trying to put one group against another, whether they are religious or not. They also are against Christians.
A good example of tactics recently being displayed,was happening in the UK, where a woman recognised a demonstrator to be from the police force activating the riot which intended to be peaceful. Work that one out! I would suggest to google Freedom Force International and be on the email list at least.Reason being: FFI needs people in power at local and federal government level to slowly build an anti-world domination force. (as the elite does)

You dont think Christs Words are literal mjpb about not calling anyone father on earth? What are they then?
How do you know Alberto Riviera was lying.
He as a Jesuit who saw what he saw within the RC Empire and testified about it.
You just dont want to believe the RC Empire is corrupt thats all. Theres a good many good people in it for sure... but its still corrupt.
People even today pay priests their hard earned money to pray their dead relatives out of a mythical place call purgatory.
I heard testimony of a farmer in NZ who paid huge amounts of his money to get his brother out of this mythical place....yet the Bible tells us there is one death then the Judgment.
The whole Empire is a money earner.

Thanks for that site eftfnc.
I'll take time to look at it...may even sign on.
Most of the guys here dont really know me.
I came into Christianity through "The Cosmic Conspiracy" and at the time had some experience writing letters to editors.
Naturally I started out all over again as a born again christian, and thanks to Stan Deyos book, writing on the New World Order.
I then came across other conspiracies that sounded real. The one Im writing on here is about the RC Empire taking over the worlds religions in ONE WORLD CHURCH. Its is real.
The history of the RC Empire totally speaks for itself...so brainwashed are the devout ones they cannot see what the Holy Bible says about the churches practices.
For years only the priests would interprete The Word of God. Now most of the older ones are so beguilled they still allow that to happen.
Its not a good system that conducts Inquisitions and doesnt repent of them.
They still store records today as far as I know on people who resist their great global plans.

Steel,

"mjpb>"Christianity often doesn't get a fair deal"?

They are tax exempt...all these are supported tacitly by the moderates, who have no real power within their churches."

I was just referring to the overzealous and over the top rivalry that inflates differences between denominations and is extremely poor pr for their own group. I doubt that an atheist reader will think that the Pope is an anti-Christ after reading Gibo's assertions but they probably won't think much of Christians after reading that.

Robert,

I understand what you are saying. My problem is that he is attacking Catholics and I am a Catholic so standing up to him is quite self serving. I have a lot of time for Pentecostals normally but he is saying some pretty inappropriate things about my denomination. Runner is probably and Steel Mann is definitely pentecostal themselves and they spoke up and are probably more deserving of your thumb up.

Gibo,

"You dont think Christs Words are literal ...What are they then?"

Hyperbole. So do people in your Church ever use the word father to describe their dad on earth?

"How do you know Alberto Riviera was lying."

His story about the Pope being a mason is a dead give away considering the anti-mason stance of the Church.

"People even today pay priests their hard earned money to pray their dead relatives out of a mythical place call purgatory..."

I associate this with medieval Tetzel acting contrary to Church regulations by selling indulgences and Pope Pius V's response of cancelling all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions. I suspect some people will say anything to get their 15 minutes but I don't really know what the situation was and I know of your tendency to jump to conclusions so I don't want to draw any firm conclusions about the farmer.

mjpb, you think poeple like Gibo affect the Catholic Church? Well too bad... The catholic church's message of moderation is a clever trick to sway gullible and well-meaning citizens. It's a trick which fools many Catholic moderates also, into supporting the bigotry and religious laws and policies.