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The dying are draining more than money, Should we learn to pull the plug?

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Would you consider passing a law that states if you are in a certain stage of life it is acceptable to end it and to allow funding for beds and health workers to care for the living. I have been considering this after trying to find a bed for my brother who is not dying just not mentally well. Though there are over 120 Nursing Homes in my small town of 95000 but no care houses for him to live.
I am asking if you have seen the lives of these elderely who are bed ridden, unable to eat, toilet or speak would you put a tick to a box next to the organ donor box that might ask if you would like to be sent to your heaven or whole in the dirt, to allow someone else assistance that is being spent on keeping your decaying and eroding physical body alive? I am stating again, that I am not asking for others to choose who should live or die due to stupidity or looks, (the world would be smaller by a few politicians and porn queens if that happened), I am asking for opinions on how long should we live for?
Posted by alphafemale, Monday, 28 August 2006 9:05:46 PM
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Answer - No.

For all the reasons that you wouldn't understand, even if I put them forward here. To even have asked the question indicates clearly that you hold no conscience regarding the moral sacredness and dignity of human life.

All the very best to you.
Posted by Maximus, Tuesday, 29 August 2006 11:49:50 AM
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Unfortunately you found this topic to be very personal and emotionally disturbing. This is acceptable. There are many theories being thrown around in medical circles and religious circles that are far more intense to people who have very strict morals and principles on how they live their own personal life. The question was posed for a purpose to ask whether we would allow ourselves to accept death as a natural occurance in life. It is already legal in many circumstances. My question was would you personally tick a box that stated when your body was beyond repair and you were incapable of being of any further service to your society or to yourself would you like to go to your heaven or hole in the dirt? In primitive cultures to reach the stage of death is a great honour because of their differing faiths but faiths still of afterlife.
Posted by alphafemale, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:02:57 AM
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Answer - Yep.

Those poor unfortunate elderly consigned to nursing home care are treated as lumps of skin and bone, irrespective of how wealthy they are, what they once were. Often the elderly are starved - its easier to lift an old lady who weighs 40kg than an old lady who weighs 65 kg.

Not sure if nursing home patients are allowed to share bedrooms anymore, but would you want to share with a stranger. I have walked past whimpering patients sitting in their own urine but I don't believe I have seen any tied down.

These poor unfortunate elderly don't want to sit around waiting to die, left with just their memories of the life they once led, denied the comfort of a fag and a glass of alcohol. Now that they are in assisted care they can't pass their days in a drug induced haze like they did when they lived in their own home.

I hope you find suitable accommodation for your brother.
Posted by billie, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 5:30:55 PM
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Hmm...

Billie might have a point. At least as far as women go. But then again -

Guardian
Ladies - let yourselves go!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/gender/story/0,,1860829,00.html

Geez - it's tricky, isn't it?
Posted by Maximus, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 6:18:04 PM
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lol yes we have the problem of living longer than men on average. I have always been curious why we fear dying so much. My children asked me what happens when we die and I am raising them as christians even though I have decided not to be and after answering their question as to knowledge on their beliefs I started to consider why we fight death so much. It is a very difficult question and not necessarily my point of view that is why I am interested in other peoples choices and beliefs in their mortality.
I have found my brother a better place thank you for your concern. In our society their is a hole that has created more homeless, hopeless, sad people. I am a obsessive fighter for rights and protection of people in our country that cannot fight for themselves and the mentally ill are so disadvantaged and mistreated in society it is apalling. Yes I have a soap box and have changed the conversation. I have been the caretaker of my older brother for nearly 20 years He is tired and has the right to say no more. Choice is our right in this free country that our ancestors have fought for.
Posted by alphafemale, Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:21:57 PM
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