Re "I will have a look. There was some early Greek poetry and Greek plays. Regarding the latter there were instances of the Romans taking fictional plays as literal history."

This should refer to hard proof of writings, and that this is alphabetical; descriptions such as 'indications are' or 'it is believed' cannot apply. I won't ask for a greek alphabetical book as the OT [muliple pages of a contnueing narrative] because I know this is non-existent.

Re. "Side bar: I once sought an account of the names of a Chinese family and a precise date from the before 1600 CE, whom concealed the details of the workings of astronomical instruments. I was researching the penchant to secrecy in cross-cultures. Despite extensive reading, contacting several major universities and a college at the Vatican [Jesuits], it took three months! There was plenty of everyone knows this happened: But examples were not raining down."

The medevial church has a terrible history. There is the question of relics from the Jerusalem Jewish temple in Vatican's basement, which should be returned, but it is collecting dust, and all attempts to gain permission even to view it has been refused. So anything which is discriminatory of the Vatican will not recieve any reception. IMHO, a church must behave exactly the opposite of such a mode, especially one which promotes the slogan, THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.

IamJoseph,

[1] In considering Ionian and Attic Greek, I have also looked towards pre-Hellenic foundation writings, namely, Minoan pictographic writing, thence Minoan Script, thence Mycenaean script, thence the Moabite & Chalcidian alphabets derived from the Phoenician alphabet. As you alluded to; there is an emphasis on consonants. Interestingly, though, diphthongs existed.

Otherwise, the best I can do, so far, is Mycenaean Script [c. 1,400 BCE, Linear B] on a clay tablet from Cnossus, when deciphered reads, noting gaps:

Transliteration: a-t-na-po-ti-ni-ja [missing] e-nu-wa-ri-jo i pa-ja-wo [ne? i] po-se-do [o-ne-i? ]

Translation: “ [missing] to Enyalios, to Paian, to Poseidon” [Ventris & Chadwick 1956 in Hammond, 1967].

I do have a copy of the table’s http://web.uncg.edu/dcl/demo/unit3/athena.asp script in a book. A quick look on the Internet was not as useful. Although, there is a short sound bite:

http://web.uncg.edu/dcl/demo/unit3/athena.asp

It would seem the Mycenaean Athena is an early entity than The Athens Athena. To place on a time line, I think about contemporary to Troy VI.

N.B. I have been trying to avoid Josephus and Plutarch and have looking for something historically contemporary.

[2] Jacob Bronowski's "Ascent of Man" [Book & TV] included a visit to the safe where the major documents of misdeeds are kept.

[3] I am taking in all all comments. just a little busy. Across two universities and working a troublesome conceptual model on [Sino] knowledge discovery.

[4] On knowledge discovery, Christians should go back a generation before Jesus, look at the Jewish continuing calendar and read for forward a century or two or three or four :-), about what was happening with Jewish Diaspora & Rome, to understand whom Jesus may have been in-probability and the gospels [much wider than the NT]. I think Thiering & Mack over-reach, but watered-down a bit, together have something to say.

Regards.

Boazy,

Any comment?

Translation: “ To Athena [missing], to Enyalios, to Paian, to Poseidon” [Ventris & Chadwick 1956 in Hammond, 1967].

Oliver,

'Linear B tablet from Knossos' is not an alphabetical script, which I did stress concerns only alphabeticals - obviously, there was pictorial writings as per the pyramid etchings, and which date 1200 years prior to Abraham.

Re the Gospels, I see the problem here being there is no hebrew writings, nothing by Jesus himself [an anomoly for any Jewish revered one, including 55 Prophetic writings with the author listed], and absolutely no evidence of any of the NT claims. The only historical reference I found was that of Paul - who never wrote himself, and was a 3rd generation secular greek - thus foreign and somewhat alien of the terrain he wrote about. There is only a genuine and Gdly inclined christian belief, and my own position is strictly focused on the historical, as opposed the scriptural.

Equally, and surprisingly, I found no evidence pre-500 BCE, of today's 'Arab race' - except that this peoples have been generically positioned and inhabited in the middle-east region, it appears that there was never an identifiable, ethnic peoples or nation called Arab. if I am not mistaken, this has a significant effect on the claim of any direct connection of Arabs with Abraham or Ishmael. There is also absolutely no arabic or other writings, or historical relics, showing any traces of any Arabs prior to 2,500 years ago.

"'Linear B tablet from Knossos' is not an alphabetical script, which I did stress concerns only alphabeticals - obviously, there was pictorial writings as per the pyramid etchings, and which date 1200 years prior to Abraham"
The tablet has very distinct characters and is post-Minoan and as noted phonetics. But, okay, I have a look for early Moabite or Chalicidian or Phoenician.

Interesting about the Arabs posit. I guess a check of non-combinant DNA in the Y chromosome would provide a clue to earlier linerage?

Jesus went from being a Jew, to a Christian Jew, to a Jewish Chistian [Pella], to a Christian [Hadrian], to a Hellenised Christian [Paul], to Hellenised Christianity with a Book of Relevation [John, really based on Roman military campaigns of the time, albeit in the style of Daniel], to institutionalised dogma with a Trinity via Nicaea [325] [Also, a half Council 190] and Constantinople in [381]. In 390, these post-Nicaean guys were smashing up temples and statues like today's Taliban.

Hadrian was far more important in Christian history than Augustus, Tiberus or Nero; but, he is never mentioned.

Moreover, according to Suetonious who had access to Roman official records, Nero's number was 1,005 not 666. Nero may have persecuted the Christians after Rome burnt, but it is the record, Nero started the fires and exciled the civil population, so his soldiers could loot the ashes. Immediately afterwards, there was no civilian population, Christians included. Hollywood is wrong.

According to Gibbon, Marcus was the Christian Bishop, after fifteen Jewish bispos. Bishops of Jerusalem lived in Pella for sixty years. The Jewish Nazarenes changed from being Christian Jews to Jewish Christians to enter AElia Capitolina [Mount Sion].

Don't priests, ministers and pastors read? Christians don't know there history at all well. No offense intended.

My view is the arabs were not a particular ethnic grouping or race, till after 500 BCE. At least, I cannot find any apposing evidence.

"Jesus went from being a Jew, to a Christian Jew, to a Jewish Chistian [Pella] "

I see JC only as a Jew, then and now, that he never renounced his faith - nor would he have condoned the NT in any wise. Nor can anyone but who gave the law change anything. This is also what occured when Islam appeared: the christians did not accpet it because it contradicted the gospels, and they wanted Jesus to appear and say so. Thus it is a great pity, as well as suspicious, that we have no writings from Jesus, nor a shred of contemporary writings of him. There is proof of Paul, who never met Jesus, and never said what the gospels claim.

" Nero may have persecuted the Christians after Rome burnt"

Yes, Nero blamed the christians for the fires, but this was because they were seen as Jews at this time - The term christian/christ emerged in 174 CE.