IamJoseph,

While did post to another thread, please excuse me for the delay in replying. I stretched a bit at the moment.

Genetist, Spencer Wells, touches on our recent topic by noting that there is greater gene divergency amongst stem Africian populations and other populations. He notes that genetic linkages converge with linguistic linkages. As such, there is also greater divergency with less distributed African populstions.

Herein, Wells notes that the San !Xu "click" language to be very primitive having 141 distinct sounds, whereas, everyday English has only 31 everday derived sounds from these stem sounds, and, "two-thirds of the world's languages have between only twenty and forty" distinguishable" sounds, selected from the precursor speech.

Wells does not provide a date, but mentions hominids from paleolithic Somalia and Ethiopia.

Wells, seems [just a few paragraphs] to be correlating the sounds of languages with population groups and matching these variables and regressing the sounds coupled with the DNA print, historically.

Else put, science can trace genetics back further writing. Here, neurologists regard writing as a "language" in itself using the Broca's and Wernicke's areas of the brain. Dating writing first as accounting systems applying "productivity", circa 6,0000 BP. Yet,
Well's uses DNA associated with language groups to assign stem language to paleolithic peoples. Like attributing a trunk of a tree from its branches.

[Genetic Adam would have had lightly darken skin, an epicanthic fold over his eyes and been of small statue (Wells).]

"Herein, Wells notes that the San !Xu "click" language to be very primitive having 141 distinct sounds, whereas, everyday English has only 31 everday derived sounds from these stem sounds, "

This is due to the lack of vowels, thus a vast array of letters were needed to emulate sounds. The lesser the alphabets, the more advanced the language. Note that the hebrew emerged suddenly and in an already advanced state, has only 22 alphabets, which included numericals [able to perform scientific cencus' in the millions/Book of Exodus]. Still this language was able to introduce the sound of 'V' - which was not seen in the phonecian or sumerian [thus Abraham is spelled with a B instead of the original V], the first alphabetical books [books=multiple pages with a continueing narrative story], introduce 'grammar', and made statutes which are still giving state of art science and historians much to ponder and debate.

Human mental prowess and populations are time based factors - and the african peoples have not proven they invented languages or writings. The factors made by any scientists today are heavily based on an agenda to disprove creationism today - to an extent no one can have a career if they go against the status quo. But there is no alternative to creationism - if an external impact is the reason behind the universe emergence [no alternative to this!] - it will also apply to speech. Thus we have no alternative evidence for speech prior to 6000 - or how the universe emerged.

Adam would have had fingers stuck, because he was a vegetarian. Meat eating humans emerged after Noah. Another surprise anomoly!

Another one-eyed-jack reading of history and truth:

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What's this? Now they claim a resurrection before Jesus
'Christians will find it shocking - a challenge to their theology'

A stone tablet written in Hebrew is generating debate as some scholars are saying its words point to a suffering messiah who was killed and rose again three days later decades before Jesus of Nazareth.

Experts who have analyzed the writing date the stone from the late first century B.C., and a chemical examination conducted by a professor at Tel Aviv University showed no reason to doubt the date.



The tablet, called "Gabriel's Revelation," is broken and faded, making much of its content debatable. The words tell of a vision, supposedly given by the angel Gabriel, of the apocalypse.

Lines 19 through 21 of the tablet contain words, which translated read: "In three days you will know that evil will be defeated by justice."
MORE:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68924
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It appears anything found in Israel pertains only to christianity - else it has no relevence. It seems ubsurd to interpret this find as anything other than exposing the evil of Rome - wherein Jerusalem was destroyed and over a million Jews massacred because they refused to worship a depraved roman king.

Shamelessly, the find is interpreted as the so-called sacrifice of only one jew - and never mind that there was a roman decree of heresy hovering - and such sacrifice can only relate to those who gave their lives for the freedom of belief. How can an advanced and most powerful religious group accept such nonsense - and then claim the truth will set you free?

IamJoseph,

Thanks for your post.

I will need to check a few matters and plan to come to this thread next week.

I am unaware of how one, today, could know if Noah spoke. What I do know is that the Hebrews did avoid vowels, but absolutely. The same as is true of say modern Chinese wreiting, where you will see thte occassional modern English word based on the alphabet amongst the cuniform. Similarly, the Hebrews did use vowels, when foreign languages, notably Greek, were involved.

Messiahs and resurrections predating Jesus are known to historians, no doubt. Likewise, the apocolyptic style of Revelation follows Daniel and Daniel follows Zorocaster. Regarding the Sumerian-Western path of history, much goes back to Ur and latter to what H.G. Well refers to the "Alexandrian God Factories".

As for Spencer Wells, I see what he is trying to do: Show a positive collelation with a variable x, speech, that cannot be dated before 6,000 BP, with variable y, DNA trees, which can be dated tens-of-thousands. If x is truncated at 6,000 BP ,as a partially developed language; Wells is regressing the co-variants. This is "firm" Science, that is it is not "hard", nor is it soft. Reasonable enough for hypthotheses, which future scientists can posit. It is not monkey business - at least not for a one million years ;-).

Regards.

" What I do know is that the Hebrews did avoid vowels, but absolutely."

Incorrect. The vowels were always included in the 22 alphabets [eg. the first alphabet ALEF is a vowel]. The greeks seperated the vowels, as they did also with the alphabets, when they translated the Septuagint in 300 BCE.

"the apocolyptic style of Revelation follows Daniel and Daniel follows Zorocaster."

Daniel, like Isaiah, first and foremost would relate to his nation and beliefs, and this would be interpreted in conjunction with the forces prevailing at that time. Daniel would not have followed zoroster but the dictates of the jewish bible as transcendent - Daniel was a jew in exile, and would have been most attached to the fulfilment and return of his country.

Consider that this would be true of any other figure, example for Buddha if he was in exile he would have been aspiring to help his people and nation. But because the NT deems the OT as passe [eronously], everything is interpreted as applying to the NT - in a mode as if the OT and its Hebrew adherants were not relevent.