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How to Interpret Texts- Religious and Secular.

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"The absence of writing does not negate the existence of non-verbal comprehension nor speech."

That is precisely why it is an anomoly that we have no speech-recalled memory pre-6000. The comprehension factor applies to memory recall and is the forunner of writings.

Chomsky admits speech shows no thread imprints it 'evolved', and remains a great stumbling block for ToE's veracity. The lack of speech in other life forms, even those older than humans and displaying greater phonational dexterity - denies adaptation. ToE is time based.

No NAMES pre-6000 = no speech.
Posted by IamJoseph, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 2:55:12 PM
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Correction: "Wells, writing in the first half of the twentieth century, suggested that the human brain does not have a "language" centre." [Above]

Numbers or written words in an abstract sense neutologicallt appear to represent a second language learned to deal with a new ecology niche, i.e., advanced society.

"Grunts and Coos" [IamJoseph], would seem too primitive for homo sapien sapien. Palaeontology would have homo sapien sapien successful over homo erectus. The basis of the dominance is postulated to be not The Invididual, homo erectus may have been the more intelligent.

Rather, longevity in association with The Clan is why our ancestors survuved. We lived c. seventy years and erectus, lived forty years.

Herein, elders could more effecticacously "communicate" solutions to long-cycle problems to clans.

Intesesting that there is no folk lore of the Garden transition period. Or, perhaps, there is in the OT., Eden. But, the historical Eden would not have been a happy place. After the last Ice Age, agriculture is a poor substitute for big game, to obtain protein.

That said, the ages of the players in the OT are not typical and for the same reason I have dismissed Sumerian lore.
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 2:57:03 PM
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"Rather, longevity in association with The Clan is why our ancestors survuved. We lived c. seventy years and erectus, lived forty years.

I would nominate 'SPEECH' instead of longevity, and this would be vindicated by historical evidence. Even the accumulative factor vindicates speech: lizards are millions of years older. Life span is a relative term.

Re The garden of Eden. This is a matophoric report, as declared in the texts itself, and thus cannot be subject to one's rejection of it not being historical. The texts clearly says this report related to a realm where snakes talk and walk upright [else why punish a snake to crawl?] and that the said humans were cast down to this earthly realm, and re-entry barred with angels moving firey swords ever which way [the texts!].

What can be debated about this story is the veracity of its metaphorism: this is surely vindicated today. We are tested with temptations every breath we take and in every level. Thus the two humans who had everything for naught were also tested - which is a vindicated, metaphoric telling of things to come. Also vindicated in this report is that humans have prevailed with the tree of superior knowledge - but not the tree of everlasting life.

Early human life spans should not be seen as fiction - there were no germs yet; the air was then its most sublime. These life spans nominated are also backed by the world's most accurate and oldest existent calendar, listed with an accuracy and specification down to the 24-hour day: when one accounts for all ancient history events and icons, they will find no chunks of time periods missing in the OT calendar.

Prior to 5,500 years ago, which predates Babylon and Egypt, peoples mostly never left their community and villages throughout their lives, and knew not of other kingdoms - making infections and contagious deseases not relevent. The biggest killer was child birth. Deseases came many centuries later. The native Indians dies most from flu-like viruses from Europeans, who also secummbed to the flu 1200 years before this time.
Posted by IamJoseph, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 3:23:42 PM
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"Herein, elders could more effecticacously "communicate" solutions to long-cycle problems to clans. "

All life forms harbour the clan factor heritage. Only one life form displays speech. It is an anomoly.
Posted by IamJoseph, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 3:30:08 PM
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"Rather, longevity in association with The Clan is why our ancestors survived. We lived c. seventy years and erectus, lived forty years.

'I would nominate 'SPEECH' instead of longevity, and this would be vindicated by historical evidence. Even the accumulative factor vindicates speech: lizards are millions of years older. Life span is a relative term.' "

Or, the co-efficient of both, i.e, x(y) else, longevity(speech). Lizards [turtles, 200 years] don't have the brain structured, as cited above. Albeit, we do have reptilian sub-structures. That is, the human brain layered, in evolutionary terms.

Diseases resulting from migration, cause fatalities, owing to immunological reasons.

I remain suspect of peoples' ages presented in the OT. Were we to accept these, we could then introduce "names" from pre-dynastic Sumer,which I consider false or exaggerated [mnemonics]. I would be reluctant to do take hat course.

Mnemonics could also exist in the Christian NT, the "log in the eye".
Posted by Oliver, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 6:19:30 PM
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"I remain suspect of peoples' ages presented in the OT."

This is an insufficient assessment, which makes only obvious impressions, while not addressing its surrounding factors. It is equally relevent that the specifics of exacting life spans are presented in the OT, with Dob's and Dod's, geneologies and family tree's, while there is no motive or agenda to falsely extend or exaggerate these life spans - it serves no purpose at all, other than casting a negative view for the author - so why do it - that is the question?

Also, there does not appear any possibility of an error - as these long life spans are only seen in a certain period, and repeated elsewhere only in that period; the other factor negating any errors is the exectingly correct includion of these long lifes against the calendar.

The names of the peoples are also scientifically authentic, as with the terrain descriptions, even listing the first introductions of names such as mount ararat [aeriel map depictions at such an ancient time?]; the first name of a king [Nimrod] in all recorded historical writings, which predates Babylon and Egypt; and alligning the entire thread of dates to the OT calendar - with not a singular error covering a period of some 3000 years. How is this explained?

There is sufficient reason to see this as a mystery, as opposed a simple negation of it.
Posted by IamJoseph, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 7:30:14 PM
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