pale,
You and I have had our differences on other issues but I agree with you on this, except:-

"Also if the majority of people in the shire do not want it then the people have spoken"

Wish this were so, but it is not the case. If the overwhelming opinion of the people was a valid reason for rejecting the proposal, Council would have used it. I'm afraid the wants of the community is not considered by the L&E court or by the Dept of planning/Minister.

The issue will be resolved on planning matters only.

Hi John...I love your 'BraveHeart' Imagery there!

The bloke down the end of our lane has some draft horses, I've sometimes wondered what a pic of me sitting on one might look like - Trouble is, I was 'traumatized' by a Shetland pony as a kid, and most likely the only thing viewers would see on my face would be 'terror':)

If I may.. please have a look at the new article on OLO by Sandanand Dhume "The Pardox of Muslim Weakness" and if you have a spare moment, check out his web site.

http://www.sadananddhume.com/

He asks the question:

"how does a society go from broad inclusiveness to shrill intolerance in the space of a generation?"

Referring to Indonesia.

How I would love to 'find something positive' in things like 'Interfaith' events. Actually I can.. just like the 'interfaith' meeting between myself and Fellow Human a muslim contributor to this forum. We had many stouches and passionate discussions over the years on OLO, then he was in Melbourne and we hooked up and had a chat.
The differences were not resolved but we had great fellowship :)

So.. socially, interfaith things are fine. The challenge though is the influence on the moderate community from within the broader Muslim population, such as highlighted by Dhume.

For me, the political outcome I'd like to see is something reflecting an understanding of things like the Kalifah conference.
I don't think some of our leaders 'get' where Hizb are heading.

It's also the reason I shared that youtube link of the radical in London berating the community from the car telling them how to vote.

In a sense I'm a bit of a lame duck in my 'crusade' to rally the troops..My only solution to all the worlds and peoples ills is a personal relationship with Christ through repentance and forgiveness. Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world" so.. while I might yap a lot, my true faith is not in political outcomes, but spiritual enlightenment and participation in a loving community of faith.(interdenominational by the way)

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming
"If anyone ever turns up into my area screaming at 4am to get up a p-ray there wont be a second time."
What do you mean "wont be a second time"? The religious freedom is a fundamental right on our planet, one of the basic human rights.
PALE woke up, we live in 21st century!
We must control our mouth and know from where to start and where to stop.
Do not bring your self in difficult position.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonios,

The call to prayer is not allowed in the majority of suburban areas due to noise pollution restrictions. They need to control their mouths too you see. It's the law

Ditch
If it is the law, then it is the law!Instead to threaten she could tell that this is illegal. I did not know about it. and I never heard any Muslim to pray.
Some times it is important not only what we say but how we say it.
PALE used to seem hard even when she is really soft and friendly.
Thanks for your info

I'm having doubts over the accuracy of what I said is law. I'll do some checking.