*I am quite sickened by the tone this thread has taken.*

Err Nicky, I remind you that it was Dickie and then you, who
started the bestiality topic. Now that the topic has swung
to what vegans do with their pets, you are sickened. Talk
about being a hypocrite!

In fact its all been enlightening. We now know that the
vegan leaders think that sex with your pets is no big deal,
as long as they enjoy it.

Ok, whatever keeps you girls happy lol, we don't want
your pets to be miserable :)

nicky - "I am quite sickened by the tone this thread has taken."
nicky - "I have been off the air for a few days with a shocking flu"

See what happens when you non meat eating vegans don't eat any meat or fish but just rabbit food, you get sick all the time!

Now let's all forget our differences for a moment and go and have a big "cook up" and plough into a few big juicy scotch fillets, medium rare, some free range eggs sunny side up and some fried onions. Oh and throw in a few pork snaggers if you like them. Then you'll all feel better!

Hi all

Yabby, as usual, you are quote wrong; it was you people who originally brought up the bestiality elements, purely for what I think you thought would be shock value. It's not shocking, but it does show a somewhat deranged mind in the contexts in which you people express it.

Myopinion, I've had flu once in five years, and I'll stack my cholesterol levels up against yours any day. Not to mention risk of colorectal cancers.

Feel free to enjoy your scotch fillet, eggs and sausages if it makes you feel good; we all know that we won't stop people butchering animals any time soon. BTW, why do you not throw a couple of the local dogs or cats on the barbecue?

Enjoy!
Nicky

nicky - "BTW, why do you not throw a couple of the local dogs or cats on the barbecue?"

Hell, that's a strange comment but I'm used to them from you. The only meat I eat is beef, mutton, pork, poultry, venison and rabbit.

You haven't answered my question on an earlier post and on the other thread, so I'll repeat them.

1) Are you an animal liberationist or are only for animal welfare?
2) And what is your opinion of control of foxes, rabbits and feral cats?

Hi again all

Myopinion, my apologies, I did intend to answer those questions. Put it down to the flu medication manifesting itself in forgetfulness.

1. What do I think of control of rabbits, foxes and feral cats?

Those animals (and others determined by the greatest predator of all, the human, to be "pests") are out there, in the numbers that they are, because of human ignorance, indifference, neglect and/or negligence. Therefore I believe we have a moral duty, if control methods MUST be used, to ensure that they are humane (and therefore do not include such horrors as steel-jawed traps, 1080, strychnine and the like).

2. Am I for animal welfare or animal liberation?

The two are not mutually exclusive. I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to see every animal live a normal life span free from cruelty and exploitation. Read the "Five Freedoms". That's what I believe every animal should have an unalienable right to.

Now here's one for you. Why do you only eat the meats you mentioned? What's the problem with eating the local cats and dogs (or rats, mice, guinea pigs and hamsters?) The animals you mention suffer no less than cats and dogs would in the same circumstances.

Cheers
Nicky

1) Okay nicky have I determined correctly that you grudgingly agree that control methods for the control of rabbits, foxes and feral cats should be used. If you are not agreeable to steel-jawed traps, 1080, strychnine and the like being used as a control method, what control method do you suggest should be used?

2) My definition of welfare is the well being of something, so in this case for sake of argument - the well-being of animals.
My definition of liberation is to set something free. Does this mean that you want to set all animals free? If so what exactly do you mean by “all animals having freedom?”

I only eat the meats I mentioned because I have “taste”. As for you stating that cats and dogs etc suffer the same as the animals I eat, I think you should travel to some parts of Asia and see how they kill them. When I was farming and killed the beef and mutton that I ate, I can assure you they didn’t feel much. Much less than a human would feel being attacked by a great white shark, tiger snake, lion, or getting mangled by a hippo.