Well we cant change what is:)
God appointed Adam then Eve to help him (guys forget quite often this very important fact)...Genesis chapter 2.
Its SET now in history as the way God Wanted it and its SET in truth because it exists as such and can be seen as such... and cannot be changed

Haralambos does this article about birthing machines have something to do with the $5000 baby bonus.

If you are sincere in your wish to support mothers the world over and free them from domestic slavery (being made to do the work of women for nothing) while men pay themselves a wage for work done outside the home. Thus only putting value on mens work and not womens work, You must be happy that after 1000s of years the men in power are finally giving mothers $5000 dollars.

Lets face it any woman could become pregnant even in the developed world because contraception does fail.

The male leaders in the United Nations could put a stop to the huge burden of producing multiple children on women in their countries to-morrow,if they asked for aid from the rich countries of the world to set up family planning or womens clinics all over the world, BUT THESE LEADERS DO NOT WANT THIS. George Bush due to his religious beliefs actually shut down one such rare clinic in a developing country (I forget which one) because he believes the pill might abort a fertilised egg.
Prepare for huge misery all over the world in the form of famines and wars until these men figure out that contraception and staffed women clinics where women can take their children for medical help to ensure their suvival and have easy access to contraception would do more to bring about peace on earth than anything they've every tried before.

Haralambos: “So what are you going to do about it my fellow man, and sisters?”

I’m going to lose my patriarchal views then watch equality whoosh in. Wish we could all try it for a year.

Haralambos does your article have anything to with the $5000 baby bonus.

If you are sincere in your wish to help women all over the world who are domestic slaves (Slaves being those who are forced to work in service to other people for nothing) , then you would support the fact that finally after 1000s of years the men in power who pay themselves a wage for work done outside the home (men’s work) are finally paying women some of the wealth of the country for womens work.

The male leaders in the united nations could stop this misery of women being forced to bear too many children to-morrow, by asking the rich countries to help them set up family planning womens clinics all over the world. Where women could go to receive medical aid to ensure the survival of the children they do have and have easy access to free contraception. THESE LEADERS DON’T WANT TO DO THIS. George Bush closed down one such rare clinic that was set up in one of these countries I forget which one now because of his religious belief that the Pill may cause abortion.

Prepare for untold misery , famine and war raging across the planet in the future (it”s already started); until these leaders understand that this would do more to bring about world peace than any thing else that they’ve ever tried before.

"birthing machines" ?

GOOOOD grief.. well.. never mind, glad you raised this thread.

HOW DO WE DEFINE OUR VALUE AS HUMANS?

In a recent radio discussion, the focus was on 'career' opportunities.
There was a point where they discussed the relative salaries of males and females and the following observations were offered:

1/ A the beginning of a work life, males and females are generally paid the same.
2/ Later, at upper managerial positions, women are often left behind.
3/ The 'left behind' was based on the lack of seniority due to their time giving birth to and nurturing children.

THEN...the classic moment.. the women speaking said this:

"yes.. so, women giving birth to children works AGAINST women"

Now..speaking of giving birth..that is a very PREGNANT statement.. so lets place it on the operating table and INDUCE a birth right now.

LOOK..what came out! it's a MONSTER!

The use of the word 'against' says it all (in the original quote)... this 'negative' term clearly indicates that the speaker (and perhaps a lot of women) 'define' their humanity in terms of... CAREER!

Does it occur to anyone that being the one (given by God) as the means of human reproduction, and equipped with organs of nurture and growth, that being a mother is actually a GOOD and positive thing?

Does it occur to anyone that men being built differently to women, stronger physically.. have a different role to play in life?

Why in the world does the fact that men only have to have intercourse once to produce a new life, and women then have a 9 month period of growth, and then lactate and produce milk...WHY is this seen as some kind of 'impediment to life' ?

It's about time we returned to defining our value as humans in terms of how we were made.

There is NO reason why a woman cannot have the best of both worlds.
She can work... have children..and then work again.. why make 'work' the reference point for life rather than 'have children' ?

David,

You will need to speak to some radically different perspectives. You are considering it from a very defined perspective. We live in a very commercialised society and human value is now based on wealth. If one man is richer than another then he is more important. If one woman is richer than another then she is more important. Caring for children doesn’t make you rich so it isn’t valued. If it reduces the amount of wealth you can earn than it is seen as an impediment. In these premises for a woman to be lumped with pregnancy, childbirth, and possibly some child care is seen as demeaning and disadvantaging if men don't (can’t) do exactly the same.