Thanks Boazy. Just so you know for future reference, those verses are exactly the kind of misogynist codswallop that attracts to your religion the label 'patriarchal'.

You're right though - it is better in context:

<< Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. >>

I think this one is the silliest. but there's quite a bit to choose from there:

<< A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. >>

I'm going to inform my partner that things around here are going to be different from now on - because I'm the image and glory of God and she is the glory of me.

Hallelujah and assume the position... afterwards do the dishes!

CJ.. part 2 "why is this different from the Muslim Hijab"

An interesting question.

The Islamic view is simple:

1/ Men are horny..
http://wasalaam.wordpress.com/2007/01/23/heba-kotb-on-sex-and-muslims/

”Many women know nothing about their bodies, not to mention sex, and they were raised to believe sex is for men and a dirty thing,”

2/ Women are ...well.. why not let Mohammad himself answer this question..... see below.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/006.sbt.html#001.006.301

<< "A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?">>

That's it in a nutshell, rather crudely put, but nevertheless, from what I gather from the words of Sheikh Hilali (that bastion of truth) and many Muslim women interviewed in the Media, it appears to be the case.:"Uncovered meat" "Their fault"

http://www.islamfortoday.com/syed01.htm

Surah 24 says:

They must draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, or their women, or their slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their ornaments.

http://www.jannah.org/sisters/hijab_protect.html

<<Surah Al-Ahzab (33:59) states: "O Prophet [PBUH] Tell thy wives and daughters and the believing women that they should put on their outer garments; that is most convenient in order that THEY MAY BE RECOGNIZED (as Muslims) and not be molested.">>

(emphasis from the article..not me)

CONCLUSION.. "In Islam" the veil is about 'sex'... in Christianity, it is purely about 'Creation mandate'.

DIFFERENCE.. in the case of Christianity, the head covering has nothing to do with 'hiding sexy bits' but everything to do with reflecting the creation mandate.

No doubt FH will correct his own mob (quoted here:)..me? I just report their views.. you decide.

Well done Boaz.

You have illustrated perfectly how and why religion in general causes inequities and divisions between the sexes.

Unwittingly, yet again, you have presented arguments that a literal belief in either the NT or the Koran is to be avoided and anyone claiming that these ancient tomes are 'the truth' are to be viewed with both pity and suspicion.

:-)

Fractelle, not many of them take it very literally when the pain rests with them rather than with others. Did you notice how quiet the fundies went on Gobo's women's clothes thread after I linked to what Jesus had to say to those who were having problems with what they saw. Suddenly the issue seemed a whole lot less important.

It's all very well to be insistant on the literal truth of gods word when it's about others suffering, not so important to be literal when it's the fundy who needs to suffer.

R0bert

Boazy: << "In Islam" the veil is about 'sex'... in Christianity, it is purely about 'Creation mandate'. >>

Fascinating. I had a squizz at those biblical texts that Boazy pointed us to: lots of twaddle about heads and hair but no mention anywhere of a "Creation mandate".

What's the "Creation mandate" when it's at home, and what does it have to do with uncovered women's hair being offensive while men's apparently isn't?

CJ,

You silly-billy! Can't you see how different the two are? Women should "ideally" cover their heads as a visible reminder that when the god created humanity woman was a mere afterthought: women(plural) were made FOR men(plural) and that little bit of cloth is her badge of servitude and reminds everyone of her sexual function - which, because of Eve, she has abused and used to her own ends ever since.

But when women cover their whole bodies that is taking things too far: it means that the god created each woman for each man exclusively and so you can't sit in church fantasizing about spagetti straps or go around admiring a "long, lean leg" which is just plain unfair.

Remember, there is no question either from the Koran or the Bible that women are inferior to men, its unarguable through any scriptures. But Christians need them to be visible in the world so they can prove Eve's perfidy while those darn mozzies jolly well try to limit the damage. Nasty spoil sports.