rehctub,

I too take great pride in knowing that I was not involved in putting them in either.
You right QLD is in trouble after NSW.
As far as encouraging these woman to have more kids by six month paid leave in a world thats over populated already thatys how stupid they are.
Small Biz is closing at 700 per month since this Government got it.
Hey have you heard these irresponsible idiots are now also encouraging woman who have never worked or pauid tax in their lives to apply for the six months paid leave as well?

Australia has the highest rate of unmarried woman and girls having kids for the rest of us to keep.
Now this twit wants us to pay to encourage more.
If people want kids- fine. So long as they dont ask me to pay for it.
I dont mind paying for the aboriginal kids and the elderly but married or unmarried. You want kids? Then you pay.
Anyway this Governments stuffed already. We wont see a return to ALP thats for sure.
Unlike the bloke who statred this thread the rest of us have a few other ideas- thank goodness

Hi PALE and Rehctub,
“…woman who have never worked or pauid tax in their lives to apply for the six months paid leave as well?”
I must’ve missed that, is there a link to this info? If it’s true then it makes no sense. What exactly would they be leaving from? This paid leave should apply to working women only and should replace the baby bonus.

While I agree that it would be a bad idea to expect private enterprise to foot the bill, Rehctub and PALE need to understand that there is no negative effect on business and on women when the federal government funds the bill. It should be the choice of the individual businesses whether or not they offer to top up the woman’s minimal leave payments. Don’t forget that many big businesses thrive on the child consumer. If woman stop having babies they will go bankrupt.
As I explained before, women’s participation in the workforce becomes greater wherever PLM (paid maternity leave) exists, as we can see from the example of the Nordic countries and others, so the argument that women will be pushed out of the workforce is moot when leave is paid by the government because the opposite happens to be true.

Also, show us a link to the info that 700 businesses are closing because of PML.
Businesses should benefit from PML when it’s funded by the govt because generally the women they have trained will come back.

I agree that we need to encourage a reduction in world population. That’s why the baby bonus needs to go and replaced by PML. The baby bonus encourages irresponsible behaviour such as teens having babies.
Give them contraception instead.

Responsible, working, taxpaying women should not be punished and need to be compensated for loss of their income.

Continued

Col,
Women should not have to miss out on their wages because, married or not, it still makes the woman financially dependent on her partner’s income. Why should a person have to become totally dependent on a partner, in this case, just because of biological differences?
I don’t consider this an argument about socialism or capitalism, left or right, Liberal or Labor. We need something different. This is, in my view, an issue about stopping discrimination and acknowledging equal rights in a caring society. It's also about child wellbeing.

BTW people, society does consist of people like a house consists of bricks. Without the individual bricks there wouldn’t be a house, but without a purpose to build a house the bricks are useless. Both are necessary and equally important so they should be supporting each other or the whole structure will come down.

Speaking of bricks and mortar, housing affordability is now so low that most working people simply have to have a dual income to be able to afford to live somewhere decent.
I heard on the radio that workers who fall in the wage range of around $50,000 p.a. such as nurses can only afford to buy in 5% of the housing market and rents have been increasing to very high levels, too.

Many people on one income cannot afford to live in an area near work, which puts more pressure on their family because they lose more time commuting. More pressure also on public transport and traffic, and more pollution too.

Celivia
Thank you very much! Are you from Adelaide Hills? (only a simple question). Neoconservatives does not care at all for the societies but only for individuals. If you see to speak very much for societies, communities etc it does not mean I ignore the individuals but I try to tell Col Rouge individuals depend on their society and society from its individuals. The best conditions for a society and its individual members is when there are the minimum conflicts between the society and individuals and when there is the minimum inequality, conflicts between the members of a society, between its individuals.
Celivia THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming
36% of South Australian women are casual, when their employers find that they are pregnant they stopped them as they are casual. Do you think theses women become pregnant for the money? Do you think casual and part time women are lazy or became pregnant for the maternity leave? they are not lazy and they was working for long time until their employer stopped them.
About the girls who have never worked, many of them are students who are preparing for their future work. What is better for the employers, a 30 years old woman with children or without children? Employers prefer mothers than women who will interrupt their job later.
THERE ARE NOT REALLY MANY IRRESPONSIBLE, LAZY MOTHERS, BUT EVEN THE LAZY AND IRRESPONSIBLE MOTHERS NEED SOME KIND FROM ASSIST. Most of the people who support the paid maternity leave want the non working mothers to receive the baby bonus. I AGREE WITH THEM. WHEN HOWARD GOVERNMENT GAVE BABY BONUS TO ALL MOTHER YOU DID NOT TELL ANYTHING NOW YOU CHANGE MIND? All mothers have place in this country.
People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming
Many, many thousands of migrants come in Australia every year because we need more and more working hands. Instead to bring migrants it is better to have our local people! Do you disagree with it?
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Celevia “Why should a person have to become totally dependent on a partner, in this case, just because of biological differences?”

Well the simple answer is, don’t get married and don’t have kids.

No woman or man is forced into marriage but any woman and any man who thinks the “my-money versus your money” system of domestic budgeting is the path to domestic bliss is a fool.

The whole point of my post has been and I repeat it,

“he” and / or / versus “she” no longer exist,

“He” and “she” are replaced by “a couple”

Any commitment less than that makes a sham of the institution of marriage.

I fail to understand what is so difficult for you to comprehend what I mean, to me it is as obvious as the reproductive tackle of a male greyhound.

“I don’t consider this an argument about socialism or capitalism, left or right, Liberal or Labor.”

Me neither, it is far more fundamental than that.

When I got married, I went into it on the basis of “all for one and one for all”, a total commitment with my partner where individual careers and aspirations were subordinate to the “joint good” and the joint life quality.

I never entered into marriage on the basis “what is your is ours and what is mine is my own”, which is what you are promoting with this debate about a woman’s right not to give up her work.

“society does consist of people like a house consists of bricks”

Well if I want the life style of a brick, I will sign up for your sort of society.
Actually, the commonest analogy is the ant hill

All working together for the common good and the future of the colony.

Likewise, I aspire to experience things greater than those expected from a mere ant.

Its that old “free-will” thing.

Ants and bricks both lack it, humans have got buckets of it and some of us want to exercise it.

Free-will comes down to the difference between existing and living.