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Unions maternity leave Productivity Commission

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Usual Suspect
"full pay maternity leave .. for six months"
Paid Maternity leave is not the most important part of the system we discuss here. PML is necessary for the health of the pregnant-mother and the baby BUT we will not see big changes on it, because already the women have by law the maternity leave and last years they receive money as baby bonus instead as a right according to international convention.
What really is new, IT IS THE NEW ROLE FOR THE WORKING MAN AS FATHER AND A BALANCED CHILD CARE BETWEEN THE FATHER AND MOTHER.
We do not speak only for maternity leave BUT FOR PATERNITY AND MAINLY FOR PATERNAL LEAVE. FOR EQUAL RIGHTS AND EQUAL RESPONSIBILITIES FOR CHILD CARE BETWEEN THE FATHER AND MOTHER.
We have seen the strong involvement from the sex commissioner on this issue because she try and I agree with her to promote the equality between women and men and she try to promote it by freeing time from the mothers-women for the child care and transfer responsibilities to fathers, men.
WITH THIS SYSTEM WE (PROGRESSIVE PEOPLE)TRY TO IMPROVE WOMEN'S POSITION IN THEIR WORK, TO CREATE BETTER CONDITIONS FOR WOMEN'S CARRIERS.
THIS IS THE NEW ELEMENT IN THE STORY, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE NEW STORY!

Celivia,
You have right the problem with seniors can not solve only with the superannuation, soon a big part of our population will be seniors, and is the only part which will continue fast growing, soon it will be over 25%-30% of our population. May be we have to create whole towns for seniors, if we want to minimize the costs and increase the services for them.
At the moment it seem the government underestimate this real big problem!
I wrote one pensioner for each employee, not for each taxpayer.
Thank you.

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Posted by ASymeonakis, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 6:57:50 PM
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Fractelle
"the current Baby Bonus makes no distinction and really needs to be replaced"
There is a difference between bonus and right and especially a right from the international law, which is stronger from the state or federal law. We want Australia to sign the international convention for maternity, paternity, parental leave and inform the international body what specifically we will do. We are discussing about it.

Col Rouge

"I did not make LPG grants legal, I was not asked if I wanted them or not"
Do not worry something like that will happen with the PML etc!

"LPG grants are paid regardless of gender"
The whole philosophy of the new system is to stop the discrimination against mothers and pay parental leave to mothers or fathers "regardless of gender"

“the govt is still serving the corporate world”, check to find what taxes the corporations pay in Australia or worldwide. From zero taxes to very little taxes.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 6:59:22 PM
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I agree with you that the pension of the seniors is disgraceful, but isn’t that all the more reason to prevent poverty among pensioners?

Cilvia
When these seniors commenced work as teens or young adults they paid income taxes, much in the way that we pay taxes now.

A portion of the taxes they paid was to be set aside for the provision of ‘a comfortable standard of living’ during their retirement .

What they weren’t told about was that during their working lives a large portion of this portion would fund future ‘hand outs’ like;
The dole, family assistance to low-income earners, the baby bonus, the family payment, the list goes on.

Now, in their retired years, many of them having worked all their lives, paid all their taxes are now facing poverty simply because there are so many ‘HAND OUTS’ that have been taken from the cookie jar.

NOW, as if we havn’t drained the jar enough, you want us, the future seniors of society to fund the lifestyle choices of the ones who choose to have children and want someone else to foot the bill while our present seniors live below the poverty line.

Enough is enough!
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 6:44:56 AM
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Antonios Symeonakis
About the PML THE RIGHT THING IS THE GOVERNMENT TO PAY THE BASICS, EMPLOYERS TO THE AVERAGE AND EMPLOYEES VOLUNTARY.
You see employers don’t get paid like employees. We only get paid if we make a profit.

We often rely on employees for our profits as, if they don’t treat our customers correctly, our customers don’t come back. Employees, or most of them, get paid by the hour, we only get paid if the customer comes back.

In business, small business in particular, there are two ways to make money.
1. Increase your profit margins
This can be very difficult especially when consumers have so many shopping choices.
2. Decrease your expenses.
This is often the only way and, by asking employers to fund this PML you face the risk of job cuts because we the employers have to make a profit or the employees don’t have a job.

As for ways to ease the burden on seniors, I feel more flexibility on their allowable income would help. Many seniors are young at heart and quite capable of working 20 to 30 hours per week, not to mention highly skilled, yet, the current system does not allow them to work any more than 2 to 3 hours per week in most cases for fear of cuts to thier pension. Considering most awards call for a minimum 4 hour shift, this is out of the question.

In a nutshell I feel if they were allowed to supplement their pension we would all be better for it.
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 6:47:36 AM
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I hope your foray into the world of running your own business is going well, ASymeonakis. The fact that you have so much time on your hands to post on this forum is a little worrying in that context, but I'm sure you have it under control.

But I would strongly suggest that you don't base your business plans on wild speculation, such as this:

>>...check to find what taxes the corporations pay in Australia or worldwide. From zero taxes to very little taxes.<<

Here's a little education for you.

First, the tax office.

http://www.ato.gov.au/large/content.asp?doc=/Content/77914.htm&page=5

"Large businesses have a critical role in the revenue system, paying and withholding taxes, and contributing to and managing superannuation on behalf of employees<<

I propose you take a look at some od the numbers while you're there.

And then there's the Treasury:

http://comparativetaxation.treasury.gov.au/content/report/html/07_Chapter_5-01.asp

Oh, look. Of the OECD top ten, Australia's business community pays the most. Who'd 'a thought it?

Then there's the Treasury task force view

http://www.treasury.gov.au/documents/1304/PDF/01_Company_tax.pdf

They say stuff like

"since the 1980s, company tax collections have run ahead of gross operating surplus... company tax collections as a percentage of gross domestic product are high by international standards"

Yes, they do go on to qualify their observations with some other underlying trends, but overall give the lie to "zero taxes to very little taxes"

In business, ASymeonakis, it is critically important to i) get your facts right and ii) resist grandstanding on issues you clearly don't "get".

Normally I'd charge for such valuable advice, but on this occasion you can have it for free.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 9:18:19 AM
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ASymeonakis “Do not worry something like that will happen with the PML etc!”

Not if common sense has a say in the matter.

“check to find what taxes the corporations pay in Australia or worldwide. From zero taxes to very little taxes.”

That is because you are measuring tax paid by corporations as a percentage of corporate revenue.
The only tax levied on corporate revenue is GST. Corporate income tax always has been levied on net operating result. Hence a business making a 10% operating profit to revenue and paying 30% income tax will appear to be paying only 3% of their gross revenue (and that is before we get into depreciation allowances, timing differences and accrual writebacks).

Of course a business can also make a loss and in those years no income tax is payable.

This is one of the more common lies which the socialist swill use for the purposes of wedge politics, shouting “unfair” to incite the wrath of those who pay personal income tax.

It is the consistency of approach to assessable income which also gives us “negative gearing”.

But as a self-employed business operator I am sure you are getting the best of advise in terms of your future tax management structures.

Personally, I have found dividend imputation an extremely useful devise for stabilising my personal tax rates between good and average operating result years.

Then we come to all the other taxes which businesses pay, stamp duties, payroll tax, land tax (all of which the state socialist swill were supposed to do away with when they got GST revenue).

So your claim is not only fallacious but a downright lie but the sort of cheap shot which I am used to from your side of the political divide.

I further echo the views of Pericles
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 10:10:45 AM
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