I see a symptom here, I who want Obama to win in a true landslide note if you talk about racism in black America you are branded?
IT EXISTS!it is wrong all racism is wrong.
Obama is not half white not half American not anything but a bright young man with bright new ideas.
His minister is an idiot.
Some true idiots exist in the black church in America.
America is to be tested this year a test I think with two good men one too old for the job one who must over come the idea he is not what he truly is a breath of fresh air.
Good thread BD a focus on truth is no threat.

Dear Belly,

Bravo. Well said, and I couldn't agree with you more.

This election should not be about the race issue in America, or the historical - civil rights movement and Black Power's Powerful Legacy, or Black Theology's Call for Economic Justice.

It should be about the best man (in this case or woman) for the job.

Anything else is merely spin and rhetoric and attempts at slander, provocation, and bigotry. Hopefully most Americans won't buy into its often ugly racial past and will acknowledge racial progress, citizenship, and democracy, a changed America.

Pericles -
Gotta hand it to you - you really keep on trucking with ole BD. But as that last response brilliantly illustrated: water off a ducks back, mate. Water off a ducks back.

Yep, it never ceases to amaze.

>>water off a ducks back, mate. Water off a ducks back<<

Actually, Romany, I've come to the conclusion that Boaz is a collective, not an individual.

Like that People Against Live Wotsits bunch.

Look at the evidence.

Some Boaz posts contain random capital letters and appalling spelling, while others are actually quite lucid.

Some are spattered with random and unfathomable biblical quotes, but - strangely - others place ideas and concepts in a relatively coherent sequence.

But the clincher is that if Boaz were really an individual, he would surely show a greater degree of shame every time he blusters his way down a logical blind alley and is found out.

Because he is a collective, one Boaz simply hands the thread to a colleague and walks away.

That way, no-one gets embarrassed

Awwww Pericles.. ur too harsh :)

No..I'm not a 'collective' its just me.

Don't you notice the same phenomena with Oliver.. he is quite a bright boy but spelling ? aaaargghhhh...

BELLY and FOXY.. thanx for ur comments. Belly, you said:

"Obama is not half white not half American not anything but a bright young man with bright new ideas."

excellent point mate. Thats my own vision for Australia "No ethnic tag"

Dear Foxy.. please understand.. I didn't raise the thread about Obama.. or the American Election...I'm exploring just one thing, the Black Power Movement.

Pericles..back 2u.

"Unfathomable Biblical Passages"?

No mate.. your problem (and it is a problem) is that you simply do not understand how a faith perspective works.. neither the Islamic or the Christian. That's "why" many things are 'unfathomable' to you.

Didn't you notice the interaction between Kayser and myself?

The more we engaged..the more specific he became about 'specific passages' in the Hadith..and the tried to persuade us that the use of 9:29 was purely about 'taxes' and not apostasy, yet the Hadith itself says "apostates".

The point you should draw from that, is.. that he is USING these 'unfathomable' passages to justify or present a position "today".

Now..if PR specialist Kaysar is doing that, surely you need to drill down a bit and try to see where it all fits in.

The reason you 'think' I end up in theological blind ally's is that you don't yet have sufficient grasp of the issues.. truly.

I hereby prescribe regular attendance at a Bible study :)

BLACK POWER... (ummm oh yes..the TOPIC) just like 'Feminism/White power/Asian power/Marxist power' they are all the same.

Understand the writings of Cone....and you will also understand the 'cult' mindset of any movement which has an ethnic/ideological tag and which operates from a secular and or political perspective.

They are ALL a threat to freedom.

You really have honed your condescension to a fine art, have you not, Boaz?

>>The reason you 'think' I end up in theological blind ally's is that you don't yet have sufficient grasp of the issues.. truly.<<

The OED entry describes theology as "the study or science that treats of God, His nature and attributes, and His relations with man and the universe"

The blind alley has nothing to do with theology, which I would have no opinion on.

It is your impact on the real world that I object to.

You can argue "theology" as long as you like with whomever you like. To me it is as meaningful as the sound of two dogs barking at each other.

However, when you use these abstruse ramblings as justification to generate hatred and fear in one set of people against another set of people, I feel it is necessary to point out that the basis of your argument is not reality, merely your interpretation of documents that were put together by people in entirely different circumstances, for entirely different reasons, and from entirely different motivations.

The fact that you can find others who argue with you on the basis of their interpretation of other documents that were put together by another lot of people, but also in entirely different circumstances, for entirely different reasons, and from entirely different motivations, doesn't make it any more meaningful.