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Why Hillary Clinton should not be chief pitcher for the Democrats.

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Arjay
I agree with you about Clinton but ..not about Obama.
USA have many problems internal and external, about 50% of taxpayers money go for current or former wars, the health system is very bad, social programs do not exist, 1% of their population is in prisons, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost very much, only for Iraq the cost will be more than 3 trillion dollars. John McCain is better from Bush but generally he will continue Bush's policy.
USA need deep changes and ONLY Obama can make the necessary changes and put the country on the right direction.
Bronwyn
forget Obama/Gore, probably Obama/John Edwards, former Democratic presidential candidate. We have the right not only to watch but to ...support Obama! "Please make a donation of $25 right now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/results

peachy
You have right, Bush administration was full of lies after lies, GO OBAMA!

Paul.L
"his position on Iraq is just crazy" What do you say Paul.L?If Obama's position for Iraq is crazy then what is Bush's position?
Hundreds thousands of dead, wasted trillion of dollars, huge training camp for alqaeda , huge problems to USA aliens in the region, and ..Iraq transfer from Arab world to Iran, the number ONE enemy of USA.
Even the worst enemy of USA could not damage so much USA as have done Bush.
Obana wants to close this wound!

Col Rouge
Margaret Thatcher? Col Rouge we need sensitive leaders who understand and support their people not a lady without heart!
BOAZ_David
"There is ample evidence that Sadaam DID have WMD's and that they were transported to Syria, prior to the close inspections"
I did not know that Saddam used nuclear weapons against Kurds! He used chemical weapons but he did not have any more of them as USA and other western Countries stopped to supply him with materials and components!
BOAZ_David how many times we have to tell you that this war was full of lies. LIES, FULL OF LIES!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid
Posted by ASymeonakis, Saturday, 10 May 2008 8:03:45 PM
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Please make a donation of $25 right now:
https://donate.barackobama.com/results
I wrote it only for American citizens who live in Australia. Non American citizens can support Obama mainly from various forum, especially American forums.
PLEASE VISIT AMERICAN FORUM AND SUPPORT OBAMA.
Start with the following
http://www.politicsforumpoliticalworld.com/index.php
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:15:41 AM
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Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has overtaken his rival Hillary Clinton for the first time in endorsements from super-delegates.

Four super-delegates - party and elected officials - pledged to support Mr Obama, including two who previously supported Mrs Clinton.
BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7394311.stm
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Sunday, 11 May 2008 9:23:41 AM
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ASymeonakis “Margaret Thatcher? Col Rouge we need sensitive leaders who understand and support their people not a lady without heart!”

Margaret Thatcher has no heart?

Why do you make that presumption:

Because she was business like and efficient?

Because she dealt with the reality and not the sentimentality?

Margaret Thatcher supported the people who elected her and she protected their interests in a way the socialist swill of the UK labour party had betrayed.

When it came to dealing with Argentina and their invasion of the Falklands she did not hesitate to support the British subjects (the Falkland Islanders) and authorise the liberation force.

Some whimp around here recently, commented on her authorizing the sinking of the Admiral Belgrano. She did it. An Argentine navy battle ship, lurking around a battle front is a valid target of war and in a war your destroy the enemy and their means of attack. She did it without hesitation. The UK Labour party during this time, were mincing around like a pack of queers wanting to cry to the UN, finding excuses to vacillate.

You are wrong. Margaret Thatcher has heart and she saw her duty clearly, without sentimentality or the emotion which it engenders.

You will find real statesmen and stateswomen are like that, non-sentimental. They separate the reality from the mere appearance and deal with that reality where lesser politicians, often of the left, focus on the emotional trappings and sentimental appeal of slick weasel words and populism. Some may have more public speaking skills but that is just salesmanship, not leadership.

As far as the upcoming US presidential elections are concerned, I trust the American people will elect a leader who has the strength of statesmanship qualities like Thatcher and her US colleague Reagan, who turn away from sentimentality and lead properly, with the clarity needed for the job, the ability to calculate the risks and consequences and the courage to take or face them.

be that elected leader white, black, male or female.
Posted by Col Rouge, Sunday, 11 May 2008 10:34:26 AM
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A Symeonakis,

You say >>” huge training camp for alqaeda”

For starters that just isn’t true anymore. Secondly how will leaving before we defeat them help? The US was already hated in the region, Remember it wasn’t Europeans who came through the windows of the WTC at 800Km/h strapped to a half a million pounds of jet fuel.

Iran has involved itself directly in the insurgency in Iraq by providing training and weapons to Shiite terrorists. The explosively formed projectiles are coming directly from Iran’s revolutionary guard corps.

Since the awakening in the Sunni areas Al Qaeda operations have almost entirely stopped. Iraq has improved significantly since the surge and the military forces on the ground are allowing breathing room for reconstruction and political settlement. All wars are “wounds” and what Obama wants to do is pretend that he can make it better by waving his magic wand. The wound will not go away with retreat of America.

It should be obvious even to the most rabid anti-war protesters that the majority of violence in Iraq is sunni-shia low grade civil war. What on earth makes you think that retreat will heal this.

Wkipedia >>”The United Nations located and destroyed large quantities of Iraqi WMD throughout the 1990s in spite of persistent Iraqi obstruction. The US withdrew weapons inspectors in 1998, resulting in Operation Desert Fox, which further degraded Iraq's WMD capability.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Obama won’t beat McCain anyway so it is irrelevant who wins the democratic nomination.
Posted by Paul.L, Sunday, 11 May 2008 10:57:11 AM
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Col Rouge,
Margaret Thacher supported the Falkland Islanders, who are less than the workers of a small fabric in London but she attacked the Union movement, she ignored the interests from labors, children, women, pensioners, students etc.
I do not ignore her deep interests and support for the big companies, corporations but when I say she was without heart I mean she did care for low to middle income people. She was not with Britain labors but Britain employers!
I think you like Margaret Thacher for what she did for the Falkland Islands than for she did for Britain, except if you are a millionaire and you was benefited from her policy.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Sunday, 11 May 2008 6:37:48 PM
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