i'm with you on that one willy rainbow

These threads must be hypnotic because I had agreed (with myself) that I wouldn't post here because of the vitriolic nonesence that is generated when anyone shows passion. I agree completely with Willy Rainbow, the misuse of animals or people for self-gratifaction is abominable.
Good animal husbandry practices are well defined and need to be enforced.
Getting back to the discussion, crap is always dumped on animal welfare groups becaue they threaten the dollars someone will make.

Yabby, just quickly (and appologies for being off post)but you're extremely naive if you believe one word of truth comes from any Australian publication. Tied to the Government's coat tails, they'll write anything if it means adhering to the policy/priority of keeping the mighty dollar flowing. Besides, it's what happens at journey's end where the story becomes shocking, a fact noted in the article which was hastly brushed aside.

"you're extremely naive if you believe one word of truth comes from any Australian publication."

Wildcat, I would be extremely naive, if I believed your statement.
Just because a publication is Australian, does not mean its not
accurate.

As anywhere, there are good and bad, so we judge by our experiences
of the past. As it happens, anything I've seen published by Cameron
Morse, as editor of the Countryman, has been pretty well what I
have seen in the real world. He has a great reputation, so I will
not jump to conspiracy theories for no good reason.

OTOH some of the most innacurate information that I have seen,
distorting information to suit various agendas, has come from
animal welfare groups. Extremists often know no bounds or limits,
when it comes to following their passions, as emotions overwhelm
their abilities to reason. Peta are a prime example of this,
there are plenty of others.

Money, well they all have their hands out for money, just check
their websites.

Cameron found that the abattoir in Jordan actually had a stun
gun, surprise surprise. So clearly change is happening in the
Middle East. Farmers can be proud that they are helping make a
difference and bring about that change. Animals will be slaughtered
there, as they have for thousands of years. If we can change practises there for the better, well that is good news.

The best way to deal with the Middle East is to slowly help to
change things. Australia is doing more then anyone else in this
respect, something we can be proud of, many animals will benefit.

Dear taurus29: It is when the Animal Liberation movement (who feel compelled to differentiate themselves from animal welfare standards) spout their self righteous, extremist rantings things begin to become unacceptable.

Peter Singer, Australian and prime mover of AL ideology, attempted to philosophise the equal status of animals by stating that "consensual sex with animals", should be accepted as a new moral standard. He was derided in the Boston Globe. In addition before 9/11 attacks, Animal Libbers featured on the FBI 10 Most Wanted list. The bottom line is that AL proponents are the equivalent of a new Taliban, who have attempted to elevate what we eat to religious zealotry.

Note partial articles below. The Globe article was purchased.

New York Post GREEN GOONS & 'RIGHTS' LOONS
January 28, 2006

Just last month, the ACLU screamed bloody murder ..

What will they say now - following a 65-count federal indictment of 11 members of the radical "environmental" groups, Earth Liberation Front and Animal Liberation Front?

The indictments, brought earlier this month, allege 17 incidents of arson, vandalism and other destructive acts - including sabotaging a high-tension power line -

Particularly dangerous is Daniel AnDreas San Diego suspected of planting bombs ,

NO HEAVY PETTING
CATHY YOUNG Date: April 11, 2001

Admittedly, bestiality is hardly a burning issue. But it's being discussed in editorials in the Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard and The New Republic, thanks to an essay by controversial philosopher Peter Singer in the online magazine Nerve, titled "Heavy Petting."
Singer, author of the 1979 book "Animal Liberation," argues that our revulsion at human-animal coupling is as irrational as the old prohibitions on homosexuality and that the persistence of this taboo attests to "our desire to differentiate ourselves . . . from animals.
Singer scoffs at the belief that humans have a unique spiritual nature or moral stature. To him, "we are animals," which means that interspecies sex "ceases to be an offense to our status and dignity as human beings" and is not wrong unless it involves violence to the animal

I work in conjunction with RSPCA QLD and PALE


I wanted to set that straight.



Public needs to know what a stun gun is and what its used for.

They require to know the difference in Slaughtering methods to make an informed opinion.

A Stun Gun- Is a divice that delivers an electric shock to an animal.
However because of the Muslim faith the animals is not allow to die through this shock and it must be revsersable [ meaning if you left the animals it would eventually stagger to its feet].

The animal must further then be subjected to having a knife cuts its throat.

Under Halal requirements [ the word Halal meaning lawful to allah]

AFIC Australian Federation Of Islamic Council In Australia have been quick to lodge a Subbmishion to the Senate Enquiry For Animal Welfare To encourage more Halal Slaughter in Australia in prference to the live Animal trade.

This is to their credit. Who better to know. Here is their Sub to the Government
http://www.halakindmeats.com/submissions.html

Stun Guns are a requirement in Australia Halal Abattoirs with proper restraints.

In order for a stun gun to work you must have the correct holding facilitys and knocking boxes.

Just imagine for example on of the guys on death row being chanced around

It is important that the public also are aware that a huge amount of these animals Australia sends are taken home to be killed

Its normal for them to allow children to conduct their first Halal Slaughter at home. Stabbing of the eyes first is very common
Yabby has pointed out Cameron found "one stun gun"?


People who are really informed like the RSPCA have long and hard campainged against live exports.

New Zealand are leading the way in slaughtering there.
,
Yabby Suggested Minister Vanestone you allow trained workers to do night shifts at Australian Abattoirs until we can help you train Aussies.

Good idea Minister Amanda Vanstone.
What about it?