Matt,

Your ‘right thinking’ doesn’t extend to doing the instigator of a discussion the courtesy of not changing his subject!

But now that you’ve done it – and I’m sure you will apologise to Taurus29, right thinker that you are – the scarcity of resources is caused by the very fact that there are too many people in Africa and other Third World countries. Giving money to them only exacerbates the problem.

Now, back to the subject. Some people will call anyone who disagrees with them “extremists”. There are probably extremists in animal welfare organizations, as there are on other organizations. Nevertheless, it is my view, as a conservative, NON animal-lover with no pets and no desire for the smelly things, that live animal transportation is grossly barbaric and should be stopped. People involved in the trade should be given a taste of the same treatment just to see how they like it.

Live animal exports is definitely one case where money outweighs human decency. The only meat which should be exported from Australia is carcasses. Within our society, there are many people who can kill here according to religions and other requirements.

Shame on any government allowing such cruelty to animals

"Live animal exports is definitely one case where money outweighs human decency. The only meat which should be exported from Australia is carcasses. Within our society, there are many people who can kill here according to religions and other requirements."

Leigh that might well be your uninformed opinion. The reality
of the present situation, ie drought, shows that Australia has
not got the capacity to slaughter here, nor will it allow the
import of labour to slaughter here. In fact it can be shown that
the money from live exports is helping to keep animals here alive
and is helping stop them dying in the paddocks.

What is your evidence that the live trade is cruel, given that
qualified organisations like the AVA do not agree with you?

Yabby,

Where is your evidence that my opinion is "uninformed"? If you want evidence, how about some from you before you start badmouthing someone you don't know?

If you cannot hack people with opinions differing from yours, you are in the wrong place. Just believe what you want to believe. Nothing wrong with that.

Leigh, your comments say it all!

"Where is your evidence that my opinion is "uninformed"?"

Ok sheesh Leigh, I will waste yet another valuable post
on you :) By your very reply. You clearly have no evidence
for your claim. As it was you making the claim, you should
be the one to back it up.

Here is a url about a journalist who recently took a trip
on a live sheep boat. Its up to you, if you want to
inform yourself or not, before making claims.

http://www.wellardgroup.com.au/media_centre/media_releases.phtml

Here is a list of standards that apply to the live trade:

http://www.daff.gov.au/livestockexportstandards

Unless you object to feedlots, give me a reason why it matters
if they float or not?

I think some animal welfare people are just stirrers and not interested in animal welfare at all.
For instance, I left my community in the NT some time ago to work in the big smoke and then went back recently for a bit.
You know you should see how dogs are treated on communities. Repeatedly kicked, torured by kids, starved, no vets, no needles to stop them getting sick. Many have VD and you know how that happens dont you. Ive complained to all sorts of animal rights and welfare mob but they just say they are interested in chickens. You know the white fellas who manage these communities and keep my mob under the thumb just watch these little dogs suffer and die. animal liberation and other wild looking mob dont do anything. theyre just rubbish.