Yes Jolanda most people dont care much anymore about anything.
One of my pastors put it down to the bomb.
He's about my age and we both grew up in the Cold War era when we didnt even think we would live til the year 2000.
Well...God Kept the bombs from going off but an apathy-towards-effort came from that period, a sort of a background knowledge that most things werent worth working for.
Maybe this is why theres little real commitment these days.
Both my pastor and I became born again christians later on and guess what? Jesus replaced that non-caring and concern with hope.
We got the hope...so will all who turn to Him.
I really see the world backsliding away from good government to the point one day, not too far away, when the only thing really fuctioning will be Christian revival. The people turning to Christ for peace and joy and security.

Gibo you have got me again! tried to hush it up but my ALP invented Gay love.
Think it was early 1900s in QLD.
Well no we have always had them every day man lived and that is their business not mine.
Your teaching tells you God died for mans sins , only some of them?
Only some men? only some races?
Did he make those of other sexual bent only so he could send them to hell?
And those who follow other religions? just to condemn them too?
Look I will take care this weekend of who I sit next to.
No way I want the seat next to a person who is content to harm over half the world in the name of his/her God.

I'm late in on this one, and I can understand frustration with government, but I think politicians behave in the only way society allows them to. The media, being a reflection of society I think, is a powerful force. I really liked this speach by Tony Blair...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/jun/12/tonyblair.labour

I guess Belly if God runs the Universe, which He does, then He gets to say who goes where.
I think you would do well in the long run to break away from Labor. I believe they are antichrists (mind you that really means "another, or other Christs")...people who would uplift themselves as saviours to the nation. Which of course they are not.
Thats me remembering now the smirk on the faces of the Whitlam, the Hawke and the Keating characters.
What did they really know...they are gone with the wind:)
Oh, Blessed day.
On the Final Day...I wouldnt want to be connected to anyone..just to Jesus as my Saviour.

Gibo, can we please stay on topic. Your demonic-moon-pie-saucer deity has little relevance to inept governments, except perhaps to blind you to the ineptness of the conservative side.

I'm still waiting for you to cite where a government aside from Howard has wasted funds, but as yet the only examples you have put forward are still those defence ones which were indeed made by your beloved Howard government. How you can still pretend Labor are worse when you can only come up with ineptness from Howard really does highlight your inability to consider the issue from a non-partisan standpoint.

Youre not waiting for answers TRTL.
Youre with Belly and Robert.
Laying traps for me all over the place.
I know what I witnessed in life.
I know who the bad boys in politics are.
I worked under NSW State government in a time when much was unsatisfactory.
I may not always have references but I do have an eyewitness testimony about many things.
I read papers, I go on the net.
I observe what the press says and I know that even today they are still accountable for a degree of truth.
I see and I hear and I know whats going on.
I saw John Howard do careless things, but I never saw him willingly lie...even if someone wants to quote children overboard.
I know Labor and what they are out of...and I dont trust them. Im with Pro Hart in saying communism isnt dead. That old Red flame will flicker on until the last of the old Labor guys have gone from the earth.
By then we may have connected with another Red thing through subservience to Red China.