Gibo, talking about invisible powers and claiming that a group is oppressed because you felt oppressed during a church service is hardly going to stand up in a court of law.

"I was in Glen Innes on the Sunday of the two days of the Celtic festival in 2005 and I was in a lively christian church and you could feel the oppression in the air from the dark side of the evil spirit realm upon that small church group. The occult folk were in town for the festival and had set up their stalls all over town...and invisible powers had come with them. " http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1723#33822

Claiming that the chooks were sacrificed to satan is unlikely to stand up unless you have clear evidence of what took place.
"Those chickens in Glen Innes were sacrificed to satan." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1723#33919

Hearing third hand that the police had found some dead chickens then assuming that they were sacrificed is not sufficient evidence(http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1723#33822) to then claim that sacrifes have been offered to satan.

Given that you claim to have been a policeman I think it's fair to assume that you have some understanding of the standards required of evidence and what you have presented here clearly would not pass muster in court.

If someone was posting malicious claims about your church on this site which they had no evidence of would you consider that OK because they heard it from someone else who does not like your church?

I found an interesting link which discusses christain views on halloween and some of the stuff about celtic belief and satan. I don't know how good the material is but it makes for an interesting read. It will be wasted on Gibo no doubt but others may find it interesting.

http://www.liberatedthinking.com/data/Library/Paganism/Pagan%20History%20and%20Facts/FAQ%20about%20Hallowween.htm

R0bert

"Only the shedding of blood washes away sin."<Gibo>

Satan, however apparently prefers chicken.

Bugsy: << Satan, however apparently prefers chicken. >>

Maybe Gibo's on to something after all. Last time I drove through Glen Innes I noticed a KFC store on the highway. They have a menu item called "wicked wings".

"Keltic Fried Chicken - Devil Worshipping Good".

Gibo: "And what does TRTL want to talk about as waste?
I mentioned Defence earlier.
You want to talk about Defence TRTL?
All of the second hand rubbish we purchase from the USA.
Those Americans could sell anything to Australia and we'd buy it. Abrams tanks too heavy to move. Second hand landing craft full of rust. Then theres the rubbish we build ourselves and have to fix later on... for years.
The Collins subs. Over the horizon radar...can anyone tell me if it even works YET? "

And guess what Gibo - your beloved John Howard is behind those incompetent purchases. In fact, Labor has commissioned a new defence paper and have had to reject the seasprite helicopter purchase despite millions being poured into it.

As for wastage, I believe Labor's the party putting a razor gang in motion now.

Your comments about wastage in the NSW state government are valid, but they're echoed in State governments across the country. The only reason why the Labor party wins State elections, are because the conservative parties are even more incompetent.

So far, the reasons for the alleged 'ineptness' of the federal government you've stated so far, can be laid at the feet of John Howard, who you have also stated you 'really loved'.

What gives? You say wastage is a reason why governments are inept, then when I ask where the wastage occurs, you cite several things that were all done by John Howard, who you say you think was a good leader and manager.

No TRTL.
You cant blame John Howard.
Theres an established system behind the man in Canberras top spot.
Even John had a complaint about Defence buying big tech all of the time.
I remember it on tv on day.
Theres little people in behind the scenes who do the presentations and the purchasings.
I think men who roll dice and dip into lucky dips.
Could be some sus guys for all I know because it doesnt always work out what they buy for the nations defences, is good for the nations defences.
Im sticking with those prophecies Ive gathered which say...THE ENEMY GOT HERE AND GOT ESTABLISHED.
He flew right over all of the subs and ships and bypassed all of the planes and he landed.
The asian eagle landed.

So when the libs do really silly things it's the fault of the little (possibly invisble) people calling the shots but when labor screws up it's because they are inept.

OK I've got it now and it's all so simple.

On the other hand I would have expected that a competent government would have asked questions beyond the establishment. That when they recieved an unconfirmed report that there were children thrown overboard someone would have sought confirmation (especially after doubts were raised about the claim)

http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/maritime_incident_ctte/report/c03.htm
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/maritime_incident_ctte/report/c04.pdf
http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/maritime_incident_ctte/report/c05.pdf
"5.3 The key question for the Committee is how both mistakes were able to stand uncorrected throughout the period of an election campaign, during which ‘border protection’ was a significant and sensitive issue." and
"5.7 From 10 October 2001 to 8 November 2001, Defence personnel gave advice relating to the veracity of the report that children had been thrown overboard on five separate occasions to Minister Reith or his office. In addition, Vice Admiral Shackleton commented on the matter to the media on 8 November 2001."

Inept or just plain dishonest?

R0bert