Although I would agree the email is misleading its overall direction that refugee get more then pensions who have put there life into this country is correct.

At first glance the refugee gets less then the pensioner but if you look a bit deeper at the cost these refugee bring with them

• educating not only them but also the children
• social help including learning the language
• health care (most would almost never have seen a doctor or dentist)
• Once they are in the door they can get the brothers/ sister cousins……. 3rd cousins half brothers dog and the rest of them in the door due to the Australian governments policy of keeping families together. So once one refugee is in the door the hordes are not far behind and these ones are not classed as refugge’s
• Social cost which cannot be measured! These including driving up the cost of housing (ring any bells people?) Trying to blow up trains in Melbourne (I wonder how many millions this ones costing the aussie tax payer but it could have been worse if they were successful)

And these are just costs that I can think of off the top of my head.

Bob who fought on the Kokoda track and Margret who’s husband was killed on HMAS Sydney deserver every last cent of the money the government gives them and some more.

Mohammed the angry refugee who came to Australia after trying to over throw the government of his home country and install a Caliphate and still currently plots and sends money too supporters back there in the long run gets more then Bob and Margret.

Is this fair?

Refugees are precisely that for a reason ET. Access to torture and trauma counselling is also part of their support. I wonder why that is?

What about Wani and her children, the real refugees who are granted protection visas because her husband was tortured to death and they had to flee without any possessions, to a camp on the border of a neighbouring country? Then she had to wait 2 years for a protection visa and when she gets here, gets pilloried by some of the well established and comfortable citizens of her host country that granted her protection and are complaining that she gets access to language training and education for her kids? The same access afforded to Bob and Margaret from their birth.

Is this fair?

Or would you prefer that refugees don't learn English and their children left uneducated? I'm betting you would just prefer them to be left in the camp. How compassionate and fair.

Or would you prefer that refugees don't learn English and their children left uneducated? I'm betting you would just prefer them to be left in the camp. How compassionate and fair.
Bugsy,
thanks for the link but we still haven't got any evidence that the original claims are not true.
I don't believe for a moment that anyone would not want to support someone in Wani's position. you chose the the word compassion & that's exactly what's needed. Bob & Margaret on the other hand should not have to rely on compassion. theirs is called an entitlement which they've earnt. As someone born & raised in this country B & M have already contributed towards their pension but this fact is apparently not taken into account & that's where the anomaly which many see as unfair, is. it is tough to when you want to treat people equally but at the same time there's no equality in contribution. Again, we can't expect a genuine refugee to contribute when they arrive with nothing. I think the question we must all ask ourselves is what makes a refugee as deserving as a citizen or indeed should we make any comparison at all ? If our society has the financial ability to accommodate refugees then surely it can accommodate it's pensioners accordingly.
Gynx,
My neighbor is concussed & has problems with one eye. no other info at this stage.

Individual" "thanks for the links but they don't get to the entitlements for refugees. can you please post that as well."
They don't get any. Social security in this country is based on residence. When refugees are granted residency, they get the same benefits as other people.

Individual: "thanks for the link but we still haven't got any evidence that the original claims are not true."

Well, that's not exactly true is it? You have got evidence, but the problem is that you don't believe that evidence. You *know* it is untrue. You believe, as I understand it, that the government is making secret payments to the refugees. I guess Centrelink must be involved too. There'd be tens of thousands of people in on this. And all to cover it up so that YOU don't find out.

But you have found them out.

YOU know the truth, individual.

Only you.

PS. I have a Kenyan friend who'd like to put $2,000,000 in your bank account for safe keeping.

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,
Generally I know that always there is the BETTER solution and always I press for the BEST.
I am not conservative to fight for what we have but I am progressive and I fight for improvements, for what we should have.
I know, for conservatives I am a trouble maker but in really I am a person who try for a better future, for a better world.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

I just can not believe PALE has not taken ownership of this thread.
But if you look you will surely question the post they left here medicine free?
Yes would we rather they go without?

Can any of us think individual cares about the truth? falling for a racist con job then defending it?
East Times your post was crafted much like the ww2 great teller of lies play on our patriotism.
How can todays refugees be so very different than ww2 refugees?
An e mail racist in nature has been given new life and some defend it?
How PALE can you have so much concern for animals and so little for humans?