"Gynx,
My neighbor is concussed & has problems with one eye. no other info at this stage."
Posted by individual, Sunday, 13 April 2008 9:15:31 PM

Thanks yndyvydual. Anything goes nowadays doesn't it? Here's a bloke speared in the head by a piece of timber by a bloke who gatecrashed a private party and who hates whites........., and it doesn't rate even a mention in the press.

and it doesn't rate even a mention in the press.
Ginx,
you've got it in one. That is exactly the point I'm trying to get through to those who try to ridicule others' who don't let bureaucrats pull the wool over their eyes. Hardly an incident gets reported from remote communities & that's why I'm just a little wary of statements & the inevitable denial by those with the wool over their eyes.
I can neither confirm nor deny the original claims re refugee support in this country. I simply want to know the facts. Vanilla is convinced I'm all about only seeing what I want to see. Well, I'm convinced that Vanilla is hell bent on believing everything he/she reads in some departmental statement which may or may not be a denial. The reason why I'm inclined to believe the claims is purely a gut feeling borne of ample experience with official coverups & corruption

Individual, can I clarify your position?

You've looked at the links detailing the difference between Newstart and the Age Pension. Do you think Centrelink is lying about this payment, or do you think the government is making secret payments to refugees?

If you think Centrelink is lying, do you think it pays more Newstart allowance to people who were assessed as refugees?

Whether it's Centrelink or secret payments, how far does this conspiracy go? Do you think the prime minister knows?

I assume think it's coincidence that identical emails circulated around Canada and the US? This is the Canadian government's refutation of the same hoax. http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/department/media/facts/aid.asp

As you would have learnt from the Snopes links, it's not only the Australian, Canadian and United States government who have pointed out the email is false, it's also the media.

Given that you think they are all lying, do you think that they are colluding with each other?

Basically, you need to convince a journalist. This is an international conspiracy — certainly the biggest one I've ever heard of. If you believe it, alert the media.

Unless... they're in on it too.

"Well, I'm convinced that Vanilla is hell bent on believing everything he/she reads in some departmental statement which may or may not be a denial."

Why? I think I bring a healthy scepticism to everything I hear — I look at the evidence as decide for myself. In this case, I checked the payments myself, read the various refutations — hell, you can tell from the language of the email that it's a hoax. It wasn't a hard one to spot.

Belly said “East Times your post was crafted much like the ww2 great teller of lies play on our patriotism.” Are you calling me a liar? If I have said anything that is incorrect I will be happy for you to correct me. Otherwise your silence on my questioning of you will be testimony to your travesty.

Bugsy anybody in a 3rd world country can pull off the “I’m a refugee let me in” line. All you need to do is make up ANY story up about being persecuted (if you are no good at making up stories there are plenty of left wing QC who will do it for you) which will get all the do gooders buying you first class tickets to Australia and rolling out the red carpet for you. Look at Ayaan Hirsi Ali for example.

We should be giving out more temporary protection visa and less citizenship.

Refugee are not interested in Australia they are only interested in farthing there own cause and that of there home nation at our expense.

We should be more proactive in the international community instead of giving out bandaid solutions such as taking in refugee’s as citizens

I can see you know a lot of refugees ET. Who is Mohammed the angry refugee?

So you think we should be more "proactive in the international community"? What would that entail exactly?

How would you deal with situations like Eritrea, where the government refuses to allow many Christian denominations to worship freely? Send in the SAS? Threaten to cut off diplomatic relations? I personally know a Christian family whose father was tortured and incarcerated by this regime, and believe me when I say that they would like to have been left in peace there than been driven to live in a refugee camp in the Sudan before coming here. Cases are investigated by our Immigration Dept., that's why it takes so long.

Your comment that anybody in a 3rd world country can make up stories to move here shows exactly where your head is at, and it isn't where the sun shines, sunshine.

ET, Ar A thinker like individual,

Robby- Thanks for your polite comment.

Belly said

Just can not believe PALE has not taken ownership of this thread.
Pale Responds

Belly We posted One comment.?

Robert
Coming from You we appreciate your comment especially Thanks.

runner said
Sounds like PALE has been caught out just like absurd claims about some Christian groups.

Pale replies

Now what would that be Runner? That Church Leaders were the only group that didnt speak out after the 60 minutes did no less than 5 seperate segmants on the babbaric treatment of Animals?

Or that pale Said Church Leaders had a reasonsibilty to educate Christians about cruelty to Gods Creatures?

Would you mind explaining to us all why that is absurd? Do we make you feel uncomfortable with the thruth perhaps?

Here is the Presidents of RSPCA address to the National Press about Church Leaders and Animal Welfare. Dont go and kick the dog now will you.=

http://www.livexports.com/hughwirth.html

freediver,

My family are three generation farmers. We dislike the Governments lack of common sense to support RSPCA to slaughter here. As All good farmers do. Nothing more.

Antonios Symeonakis
Didnt know we had refugees From Greece- Do tell. You will only bring yourself trouble if you mix with who I suspect you are AND the people you want to help Tony. I am not your enermy but you are very Anti Aussie- in your attitude. "Even if unintended. Stay away from people forming Muslim political parties in Melbourne is my advise and OP.

Cuphandle
Well said

individual,
Your understanding is spot on.

Anng,
sadly that does apply to some, your correct.

CJ Morgan
No not hate.- 'just interested in resposes.'

Romany,
We too would 'love' to read your work info@livexports.com

Bugsy,
Happy to supply the source. Favour for a neighbiour Franchoir. Want her Email? I will ask her consent.

bugsy said
To PALE (presumably Wendy):
pale-
No my name is Gerturude Thelma and louise are here too: