Fractelle, sexinchrist.com LMFAO! ha ha ha

thanks

by the way speaking of LMAO but completely off the topic check out engrish.com

runner, I for one am very interested in the 'numerous research' for links between pornography, rape an child abuse. Seriously.

Please post some links, or at least some citations I can go to the library with.

There have been many studies lately that that seem to show that there isn't one, but if they are wrong, then I am basing my viewpoints on erroneous information. I need sources, please. Thanks.

Hey Mule, thanks

Had forgotten all about Engrish.com - great way to waste time, found this which I do believe is quite on topic:

http://littlurl.com/gsfj7

Completely on topic now.

OK - I am not a fan of censorship, however, some porn is utterly vile and I don't care whether the rape or violence was pretend it is just degrading to whomever the rape or torture or humiliation is being perpetrated on. Until we can raise children in a society where sex is seen as natural and both boys and girls are to be respected, then this type of gratuitous porn will always find a mainstream audience. And that's sad - its not just a few sickos, because clearly the porn industry is raking in the dollars.

Banning it doesn't work, but education does.

The fact that porn is often so boring and mechanical at best and degrading at worst is due to our societal hang-ups about sex. The more sex is seen as somehow dirty or a sin, the more it is treated as a fetish and objectified.

And these god-botherers who are so 'bothered' by sex - just look at Boaz's lame comment on the Sexinchrist website, because it is all about sex it can't be "christian" he claims. Ha! Ha! Ha!

No wonder you have to evangelise all the time to get new recruits - you sure can't be doing much procreating.

• Women Against Pornography estimate that about 1.2 million children are annually exploited in commercial sex (child pornography and prostitution).
• Psychologist Edward Donnerstein (University of Wisconsin) found that brief exposure to violent forms of pornography can lead to anti-social attitudes and behavior.
• Pornography (especially violent pornography) can produce an array of undesirable effects such as rape and sexual coercion. Specifically studies have found that such exposure can lead to increased use of coercion or rape, increased fantasies about rape, and desensitization to sexual violence and trivialization of rape.
• Researchers Dolf Zillman and Jennings Bryant showed that continued exposure to pornography had serious adverse effects on beliefs about sexuality in general and on attitudes toward women in particular.
• One study demonstrated that pornography can diminish a person’s sexual happiness.
• Extensive interviews with sex offenders (rapists, incest offenders, and child molesters) have uncovered a sizable percentage of offenders who use pornography to arouse themselves prior to and during their assaults.
• Police officers have seen the impact pornography has had on serial murders. In fact, pornography consumption is one of the most common profile characteristics of serial murders and rapists.3
http://www.antonellagambotto.com/PornographyEffects.htm
http://www.protectkids.com/effects/harms.htm
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2004/11/65772
http://www.ankerberg.org/Articles/practical-christianity/PC0607W2.htm

TRTL.
I see what you say, as I see what COL is on about, and RObert, but society still cannot get passed the fact, and it is fact guys, that porn is the "firing up" effect, the great power in inspiring those open to the sex violence to go and do the evil they do.
Do we give a loaded gun to kids to play with?
Why give porn to a society in decline into alcohol, drugs and violence...a society moving away from a moral code like Gods Word?
This conflict between the anti-porners and the pro-porners will go on for a longtime.
The reason here being, is that the pro-porners love the porn and they dont want to let go of it even for the safety of society.
The human heart loves it.
I was there too before I became a born again christian.
Praise The Lord He openned my eyes and got rid of the foul, wicked thing.
As I said I was an eyewitness to change over four decades.
I knew the criminal and I observed what I observed and what I saw was true. TRUE!
Porn spread across the globe and the sex crime increased to amazing levels.
It was that simple.
All of the talk here isnt going to change it.
You girls need to remember that porn is a great, a huge threat to your personal safety.
I look forward to the day when you stand up and shout this truth out. I tell you girls, from the bottom of my heart...I will be there with you that day.
I will stand in any public demonstration you arrange.
Good one Runner.
Youre a good knight. I appreciate your input.

Gibo “that porn is the "firing up" effect, the great power in inspiring those open to the sex violence to go and do the evil they do.”

If you read the papers at the end of the links I have supplied you would observe the objective evidence and studies appear say the opposite.

Repeating myself

The http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/proceedings/14/kutchinsky.pdf

report might imply a ban might well increase the incidence of rape (simple logic, if removing a ban reduces the incidence of event, reinstalling a ban will increase the incidence of an event).

If you wish to claim that pornography is the “firing up” effect, (the catalyst is what you mean) “inspiring those open to the sex violence to go and do the evil they do”.

Then I will challenge you with this.

Driving a motor vehicle is the “firing up” effect for those inspiring those open to reckless and culpable driving to go and do the evil they do.

(And you have to admit we have a lot of hoons on the roads, more hoons than rapists.)

The parallel solution to your ban of pornography, in my analogy, would require motor vehicles to likewise be banned.

But the real flaw in your argument is this

You are suggesting pornography acts as a catalyst to a pre-existing intent or disposition, it inspires the sex violence it does not cause the sex violence which must be there, in the person initially.

Why not spend your time and effort trying to identify why some people are so disposed to sex violence and doing evil (the evil bit I believe is when the other party is not consenting to any act be it sexual or otherwise)

http://www.aardvarc.org/rape/about/whowhy.shtml makes a good attempt and notably does not mention “pornography” among the causes of sexual based crimes.

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