Gibo start this discussion with the following comment

"I wrote to John Howards government quite a few times on the porn/sex crime connection and all I got back was a graph or a discussion on the degrees of censorship.
It was such a HUGE! cop-out.
Why is no one looking into the connection between the two?
Is there a study going on? "

And now he tells us "I havent really trusted stats or for that matter governments since I worked in them."

So just what was Gibo asking the government to do?
Maybe assume a connection between porn and sex crime, maybe make up some stats to suit and use that to drive an ideology driven crackdown on porn. Gibo has clearly rejected "evidence" so it seems reasonable to assume that he did not really want the government looking into the issue, Gibo wanted action based on his beliefs and assumptions.

Gibo also tells us "The committed christian view is that manipulation in any form is witchcraft because its not based on truth and is designed to meet the manipulaters requirements in the areas of greed and lust."

Looks like Gibo better check for a wart on his nose and a pointy hat because when you combine his views on stats on this his calls to the government it looks like manipulation which is apparently witchcraft.

R0bert

Damn well said, R0bert.

Gibo, if you're going to ask for studies, don't ignore them when the findings don't jibe with what you want to hear.

Essentially, here in this thread, you've admitted that you won't listen to reason if it contradicts what you already believe.

Given that you believe in many just plain ridiculous things that people with common sense don't subscribe to, I suppose it's no wonder.

By all means, continue spouting your wild theories.
That's the beauty of a free society that allows people to say - or show - things you may disagree with, such as porn.

Ironically, it's this freedom which lets you go wild with your bizarre demon prophecy and porn theories.

But don't go asking for proof then shut your eyes and ears when it proves you wrong.

COL... you must have had a 'bad priest' experience at a young and impressionable age mate...

Your focus seems to be 2fold.

1/ "Priests"
2/ "Christian Theocracy"... social control etc.

I'm glad you responded that way because it provides an opportunity to further clarify the Christian position.

On "1"... I don't see any kind of 'priest' in the New Testament other than one who pours himself out for the believers well being. Also.. believers are ALL 'priests'.. in one sense.

On 2 grrr.. how many times must I repeat myself... We are not advocating any kind of 'theocracy'. That's the Roman Catholic position more than protestant, (no..I'm not knocking Catholics here)
We are about the call to all men and women to embrace Christ as their Savior and Lord, and then, in the context of fellowship, to encourage one another and build one another up.. into more and more Christlikeness. There will be occasions where a person must be disfellowshipped due to intransigence over a moral issue.. for example.. if a member of the congregation was keeping a mistress besides his wife, and was advised about it.. "no, that is unnaceptable".. and kept on.. then he would be ostracized and invited not to attend meetings until he has sorted it out in humble repentance.

There is no call for 'Christian Government' in the sense of it being a platform of policy "We, if elected will make Christianity the official State religion and ban all others".... nope.. not like that at all.

We might be preaching.. or.. I prefer the term 'proclaiming/sharing' about God in Christ to you.. but its your perfect freedom and right to ignore it all :) No one is going to hold the mouth of your mind open and stuff 'religion' down it.

Fractelle..I hardly think that site was any kind of 'Christian' site.

Well boys...Ive got to admit Ive never, ever, ever, seen anything as a determined study on the sex crime/porn connection.
Ive never ever, ever, seen any politician stand up and say (what we all already knew), "there is a connection between sex crime and pornography and pornography is increasing sex crime and each year more and more women and children are at risk of rape and abuse because of the pornography".
Not one from either party.
It never, ever, ever made the media!
Its as if Australias political parties had shares in the porn industry...or were too chicken hearted to touch what many say is "freedoms".
They kept far, far, far away from the subject and no information was ever gathered anyway.
The first steps to declare the truth have never been made.
What I feel as distrust of governments and stats doesnt take away from the FACT! that the truth about the connection is never spoken about.
The more the porn increases the more the rapes and the abuse will increase also.
The rape victims and the women of Australia need to make an issue of it...a public rallying.
If a man feeds year after year on porn... he is going to be altered in his heart towards women.
Any other stance is a lie!

BOAZ my focus is the inappropriateness of the any theocracy to presume authority over individuals because of the prolonged history of abuse, including sexual which theocracies have inflicted and continue to inflict on both adults and children.

As for embracing Christ and the Lord, I need neither you or your theocracy, bible bashing, tambourines, hallelujahs, approval, supposed morality or “proclamations” to make honest and truthful communion with God.

Gibo “Cops aint dumb... they know what offenders look at. Ivan Milat would have fed his heart a mountain of porn prior to the Backpacker Murders. Cops knew this.”

You may claim statistics is wrong.

However, you offer up nothing to defend your position.

Like TLTR said to someone else on another thread

“Similarly, I never met a rapist who didn't eat food, or a male rapist without a penis.
Clearly, food and penises must be removed.”

I would observe, the psychological profile of rapists (or any other criminal) is the most important consideration in understanding how they can perpetrate their criminal acts (presence or absence of empathy, narcissism, paranoia, psychopathy).

Whilst, based on the apparent revenue value of the pornography industry, many millions of people enjoy pornography.
Banning pornography will not influence the psychological profile of any of them, least of all the tiny minority who commit sexual assaults.

A persons attitude has never been altered by prohibitions of a particular behaviour. If it had, we would have already eradicated racism, smoking, alcoholism and drug addiction and many other social blights.

Simply put, you are confusing “cause” and “effect”.

Further, honesty, reason and law are only ever favoured by a reasoned and logical argument, never an “emotional” one.

“What I feel as distrust of governments and stats doesnt take away from the FACT! that the truth about the connection is never spoken about.
The more the porn increases the more the rapes and the abuse will increase also.”

OK now prove, irrefutably, how pornography is a significant contributor to sexual assault and I will be prepared to believe you but until you do, I believe you to be “emotional”.

This subject really troubles me; I remain ambivalent.

Several years ago I asked a close friend if porn was terrible, and was then able to view some films to judge for myself. I made a nice Devonshire tea and settled down to watch.

Truthfully I enjoyed the scones and cream much more;-I thought the porn was stupid..for all concerned in it, including those who get their jollies from watching it. I had to become one of them to make that judgment.

BUT, that is just me. I perhaps should add here though, that the issue of FoS IS really becoming pretty malleable on OLO at the moment. It really can be stretched to fit almost anything;-including it seems postal stalking.

I guess that is inevitable when FoS is invoked as the only way. I will continue to argue that there is no such thing as FoS;- we are subject to restraints in so many ways. It is life.
(Buggered if I'll get into another deep and meaningful about this BTW.,)

A question to those who defend porn (I AM ambivalent about banning it).

Are you saying that pornography has NO influence on the abuse/rape of women?