Fractelle said:

"Until we can raise children in a society where sex is seen as natural and both boys and girls are to be respected,then this type of gratuitous porn will always find a mainstream audience."

EXACTLY!... and the key to achieving this, is a values framework where degredation of other humans for our frivolous entertainment is totally rejected and scorned.

Fractelle.. are you by any chance suggesting that Christians don't regard sex as 'natural'? Seems that way by your comment. I suggest though, we need to go further than just recognizing it as natural.. it is also very dangerous, just like a gun.. if you spray bullets anyold where.. a lot of people can be hurt.

COL.. aah..I see I have much work stil:)

You keep on addressing a religion which niether Gibo, Runner nor myself are presenting. You speak of

"my focus is the inappropriateness of the any theocracy to presume authority over individuals because of the prolonged history of abuse, including sexual which theocracies have inflicted and continue to inflict on both adults and children."

Now..I guess ur meaning here some kind of human organization type 'theocracy'? and that's exactly what I said we are NOT promoting..nor proclaiming. We are announcing 'Christ' and salvation in Him... we are calling men and women to repentance from sin...and to life in Christ.
"We" are not going to suddenly 'lord it over' anyone to come to the Lord.. it's between He and them. I would expect though, that any person turning to Christ would seek fellowship from like minded people with whom he feels socially and spiritually comfortable.

Forget the Stats... Porn is degrading, evil, disgusting, insulting to God and dehumanizing...full stop.

I am not going to add to the arguments already made or repeat the views I stated on the violent porn thread (which I can't find for the moment).

I would only ask this:

Would those of you who so ardently approve of porn in all its various forms aspire for your daughter to be involved in a porn flick?

If the answer is no, ask yourselves why that might be?

If it is not appropriate for your own child why would it be for someone else's.

pelican, there are a lot of things in the world that I'd not aspire for my son to be involved in but which I still don't think should be banned. There are a lot of things which I don't necessarily "approve" of which I'd still fight against them being banned.

There are a lot of jobs which people choose to do for various reasons which are not part of my aspirations for my son - have you seen the film Kenny?

Resisting those who want to limit the free choices of other adults does not imply approval of all those choices.

R0bert

Thanks for your polite response RObert.

In essence I agree with the thrust of your point however, reference Kenny, while I would not want my child particularly to enter that industry :) - if they were happy doing it, I could not see any harm in being a port-a-loo operator. I can see the harm in the other though.

I was more asking people to think about the reasons why you would not aspire to your child entering the porn industry. And when thinking about those reasons, this might give you some clue as to why others are so against violent porn. (And not necessarily because of religious dogma)

I had a friend guys from the old motorcycle days of the 60's and 70's who got seduced into the porn film industry (oddly he had an ASIO connection so someone said) who picked up a virus that withered an arm.
I think it was HIV AIDS.
I miss the guy because Im sure he is dead now. God forgive him. He was just one of the victims of foul pornography.

Pelican

You stole my thunder - and thank you.

I have to wonder why, prostitution and porn acting are never on the careers lists at school. What exciting futures these careers offer?

I am sure that because porn films are so benign and portray women in such a positive light that Col Rouge and others have no doubt recommended to their daughters what a valid career choice these professions could be.

Of course, every one who has ever been involved in these professions, would never exclude them from their CV's seeing as there is no link to violence, exploitation, drugs and demeaning the status of women and children. Nor are there any links to the sexual slave trade and organised crime. Porn is just a bit of innocent fun. Well it could be, but I have yet to see a porn flick that made me feel proud to be a woman. Porn like anything that can be exploited to the detriment of people's self-esteem needs regulation - not censorship.

As I have stated previously we need to educate our children to respect the other sex as valid worthwhile humans. Neither male nor female was created for the use of the other.

Boaz - your reaction to the christian web-site proves, just how hung up you are about sex. If such a simple little website disturbs you, then you do indeed have problems with seeing sex as a natural activity.