Gibo - "The more the porn increases the more the rapes and the abuse will increase also."

I've posted links to research which provides good evidence that the reverse is actually true (at least in the USA).

"The more the porn increases the more the rapes and the abuse will decrease also." eg for ever 10% increase in internet access there is a corresponding 7.3% decrease in rape victimisation.
http://www.toddkendall.net/internetcrime.pdf

Is that simple enough for you?

Your choice to ignore the evidence does not excuse you. If you believe that the material I've referenced is wrong then provide some reason based arguments why it's wrong and references to viable material (not from "The Moral Minority") which supports your claims.

R0bert

I dont need evidence COL for my position.
I saw it in life experience over those years as I grew up and as I watched the growth of porn and the rise in the sex crime.
I WAS AN EYE WITNESS.
As a policeman I knew what was going on with criminal behaviour.
I WAS AN EYE WITNESS.
Do you know what an eye witness is?
Its someone who sees the truth occuring and can give testimony to that truth.
Porn is abusing and even killing women and young girls all over the world.
Its feeding men sexual hate to do the criminal act!

Gibo, I sincerely hope you weren't a policeman, or at least, developed your current beliefs after you left the service.
The idea of you in a position of authority scares me.

You say you 'witnessed' the rise in rapes and pornography - even if there was a distinct rise, which is possible though I've not seen proof, I could just as easily point out that I saw the rise in the number of cars on the road, and the rise in murders.

Would one be linked to the other?

I can think of a vast number of factors at play here.

Gibo - address this: all people have sexual urges. Would it not be reasonable to put forward the notion, that those with aggressive sex drives but who are unable to procure sex, will resort to rape if they cannot access pornography?

Something I suspect you've not considered. Nor the morality of denying pornography to people who may be disabled in some way and are unable to find a sexual partner, but still have urges.

But oh no - the Christian way is suppression for these people, is it not? Denying basic urges?

Has it occurred to you, that most forms of repression inevitably lead to aggression?

End fact, Gibo, is you have nothing but an opinion, and there already are studies, just none that you're willing to look at.

And you've admitted you do not have an open mind on the subject, so I guess it's kind of pointless attempting to point out facts or reason.

Posted by Gibo recently on this discussion "Ive never, ever, ever, seen anything as a determined study on the sex crime/porn connection.
" http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1644#31829

Posted by TurnRightThenLeft on the first page of this discussion "Subsidised by the Howard Government’s Australia Research Council, “senior academic researchers” Katherine Albury, Alan McKee and Catharine Lumby embarked on the “Understanding Pornography in Australia” research project, and The Porn Book is the result of their findings." http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1644#31661

Posted by myself on the same page "Todd Kendall's paper
http://www.toddkendall.net/internetcrime.pdf " http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1644#31672

Posted by Col on page 3 of this discussion "A Danish study, across four countries, suggests the rate of assault declined after Pornography was legalized.
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/proceedings/14/kutchinsky.pdf " http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=1644#31728

Along with a number of other worthwhile references provided by Col and Fractelle.

Gibo if you have "never, ever, ever, seen anything as a determined study on the sex crime/porn connection" it's because you have deliberately and pointedly refused too look at them when they are put in front of you.

You say you were in the police, how well would it have gone down if a speeding driver after having driven past a number of clearly marked (and easy to see) speed signs claimed that he had not seen any speed signs or refused to accept those speed signs because he did not trust speed signs or because they did not indicate the speed he wanted to travel at then expected to be excused for his speeding ?

R0bert

Gibo “I dont need evidence COL for my position.”

Only God can make that claim and whilst you may delude yourself to your omnipotence, I doubt you could convince anyone else of it.

I think it is the deadly sin of “pride” to presume you are above being expected to justify your claims with evidence.

I guess pericles was right in his post, credibility is something which cannot be compromised when it does not exist.

As a police officer you should have been aware of “due process” and the separation of powers.

The arrogance you have displayed here suggests it must have been very hard for you not to be allowed to be the judge and the jury as well as the plod.

But that is the process which we live with, separation of duties and an expectation of reliable evidence.

Not some one man kangaroo court which you arrogantly believe you are entitled to run, over the rights of other people in regard to what they should be allowed, as consenting adults to view.

TRTL and Robert, this is like a three musketeers moment and in Gibo we have met Cardinal Richelieu (certainly the same theocratic arrogance) maybe BOAZ will “drag” along, as de Winter :-)

Numerous research has shown links between pornography, rape and child sexual abuse. The deniers are obviously far more interested in protecting their little bit of perversion rather than be concerned for the common good of society. why bother pointing to this research to those who are so bound and blind by their own lusts that the deny the most obvious. Next they will be denying that advertising has any effect on people.