Unless we can get the context of our own lives right we are unlikley to have a right view of the bigger picture.

The ends of universe are unfathomable and because we have a devout space scientist in our Church we get constand backdrops to songs on the screen of new discoveries in astronomy.

Boaz

You love quotes so much here is one for you from Einstein

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. … Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

Albert Einstein, “Religion and Science”, New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930"

And the moral contribution from the Christian church?

JERRY FALWELL

I rest my case.

Fractelle, I think that you are being rather unfair to the christain church holding up Jerry Falwell like that. Far to many do support preachers like him but many also reject the shysters. There have been some great contributions to ethics and morality by christains but those don't tend to have their own TV shows or get the public attention that others do.

Many of those involved in the anti-slavery movent in the USA were devout christains.

Whilst I have a lot of grievances with the christain church and it's teachings I do try to be fair to them. Jerry Falwell and his ilk are a low point for the church not their best.

R0bert

Philo, a couple of weeks back you made a big song and dance about a disabled child whom you claimed had been miraculously cured by Jesus. You said that in the next week his surgeons and physicians would confirm this miraculous cure.

However, you have subsequently been rather reticent in providing updates about this apparently very fortunate fellow. While, as you say, "the ends of universe are unfathomable", surely more mundane acts of God like miraculously healing one person might be easier for us mere mortals to comprehend?

In that spirit, can you give us an update on your claimed "miracle"?

R0bert

Boaz bangs on continually about non-religious having no morals because on a lack of belief in the bible - what better way to illustrate a point than to use an example of greed and lies such as Falwell? Falwell would never have been given the time of day had it not been for religious dogma.

Perhaps I could've spoken about paedophile priests - would that have been 'fairer'?

Since when has Boaz ever been fair? Since when has he demonstrated any of the Christian ethics he loves to proselytise to the rest of us?

His cherry picking of dogma means he is intolerant to gays, muslims, sees women as secondary to men.... ad nauseam.

And you think I have been unfair?

What about the entire Bush administration? Not one of them behaving as Jesus preached, and you talk about fair.

Well I'll go a bit further and call your posts one of the most hypocritical I have read from someone who likes to present himself as reasonable.

CJ Morgan,
I only see this young man once a month at a common gathering of about 200 persons. Unfortunately the next meeting 5/4/08 falls on the same Saturday when I have another important annual event. However CJ I will not fail to report on the improvement in his health.