Interesting that the Christians on this thread have skipped over the very important point that Celivia raised earlier...

<<If God is so great that he can perform miracles and heal people, then why won't he heal amputees? >>

Either there's more in this question than the Christians here are realising, or they know that it contradicts their belief in divine miracles, so like everything else that contradicts their beliefs, they ignore it.

Think about it. Every 'miracle' healing (or at least the one's we know definitely happened) that God has supposedly performed, has been possible – EXTREMELY unlikely, and sometimes well beyond belief – but still possible.

But we know that Humans CANNOT re-grow limbs, and coincidentally, God doesn't perform this miracle.

Are we Christian folk starting to put two and two together here?

Boaz..I'd call that 'Game/Set/Match'.... you don't WANT to disbelieve no matter what.

Philo,

The so-called evidence of a young Earth that you linked to is just plain silly. It ignores so much and assumes that the current coastlines were always the coastlines.

Here's just a few links that counter and disprove any young Earth claims:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB620.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD014_1.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD610.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD620.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD701.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011_1.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE230.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310_1.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE311.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF201.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG010.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CH200-CH799
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRvt0InhYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEW1oQBZu-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLFKM886l4Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Ii-dpRrXM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf2B4AideIU

So no, the Earth is not young at all.

Philo,

I must say I thought that link was very silly too. It seems to assume that all landmasses are made of the same stuff as their coastlines are made off. So that erosion at the coastline could conceivably just continue to eat into the landmass. In fact, it seems to assume that all rocks have exactly the same level of stability. You only need high school geology to see that it's fallacious.

Is that really the standard of young earth "science"?

AJ Philips: Why does God have to heal Amputees? He's not their slave, he doesn't have to just make everyone perfect. You know why? No? Neither do I. Why should we have this knowledge?

The God made people with Amputees - which illustrates and example of an imperfect species - which is exactly what we are. Hence how can we even consider our brains to have the capacity to understand the REASONS for his creation of this universe and the REASONS for why he runs it the way he does. You should go take a long hard look at yourself and work out a way to heal the corruptness that your brain has come to in believing the wrong information and maybe he will spare your soul!

Now I'm sure you'll re-post saying - "how I know all this", well think of this. Does a population of completely blind organisms know that the world is visible? No they don't - they go on about their lives - completely blind to how imperfect they actually are and completely arrogant about who they are.

Kroy,

<<Why does God have to heal Amputees? He's not their slave, he doesn't have to just make everyone perfect. You know why? No? Neither do I.>>

Well isn't that just too easy?

You've explained away a perfectly logical and rational point with the “God work in mysterious ways” argument. Not only is that weak, but it lacks any sort of critical thought.

I never implied that God should be anyone's slave, just that it's a little too coincidental that he's never re-grown a limb for an amputee... And you dodged it in a classic way that is nothing more than a turn-off to Atheists.

If Christians truly want to be 'Fishers of men', then they're going to have to try a little harder than that.

<<Why should we have this knowledge?>>

I never said we should. I simply repeated the question. But any rational thinker would, and should, take this into consideration.

<<The God made people with Amputees - which illustrates and example of an imperfect species>>

So much for the Creationist's perfect design theory then, eh?

Please don't bother going down the 'sin caused genetic defects', or the 'genes have deteriorated over time' road. It simply doesn't cut it.

<<...which is exactly what we are.>>

From what I understand of the Bible, it implies that we're imperfect because of our 'sinful' nature. If you have chosen to interpret the Bible so that it says that we are all-round imperfect, then again, that just puts a big dent in the 'design' argument of Creationists.

<<Hence how can we even consider our brains to have the capacity to understand the REASONS for his creation of this universe and the REASONS for why he runs it the way he does.>>

Another argument that's just too easy.

Again, you can't explain something so you explain it away with the old “God work in mysterious ways” argument.

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<<You should go take a long hard look at yourself and work out a way to heal the corruptness that your brain has come to in believing the wrong information and maybe he will spare your soul!>>

Ahh... Yes. The threat of Hell. The sure sign of evil and unwise God.

Think about this Kroy: Would you deliberately leave your own child to suffer an eternity of torment simply because they rejected you and didn't love you? Even if they were a perfectly kind-hearted human being?

No, you wouldn't, would you? Then you are wiser than your God.

Do I know for sure that God doesn't exist? Of course not. I don't believe that anyone can truly be certain about that.

Do I believe in an evil and deceitful God, who would hide himself so well and then punish his beloved creations who couldn't see him because of the rationalisation that he blessed them with? Absolutely not!

But please don't patronise me. I used to be a devout Christian until all that darned logic and reason infected my brain.

<<Now I'm sure you'll re-post saying - "how I know all this", well think of this.>>

That was a bad prediction now, wasn't it?

I know how you think you know all this. I've been there before.

<<Does a population of completely blind organisms know that the world is visible? No they don't - they go on about their lives - completely blind to how imperfect they actually are and completely arrogant about who they are.>>

You're assuming Atheists are blind just because they don't believe as you do. Your entire argument here, is dependent on the existence of not only a God, but a God that exists just you believe he does.

I'm not going to both with all your pointless arguments. I was not targeting atheists. The logic sure has infected your brain. Too bad it can't reason outside of that logic.