Dave here
When are people going to learn to all religions there are extremes Christian,Islam & Jewish trouble is they all profess the laws of Abraham & the line of David so where do they get all the diversity.What is the difference between a Nuns headdress & a Moslem Ladies headdress with a Nun it is a habet & I can remember when head scarves were fashion get real all the only time people get into trouble is when they think they are human & keep eating of the tree of knowledge My father said never get involved in an argument on religion it is one you can never win & the Christians say 10,000 years of man which contadicts my Indigenous beliefs.
May your Lord shine on you your family from DAVID.

Here are some letters and words from the Muslim Leaders AFIC for anybody interested.

The first one of course is to our delight despite MOUs we will always have different opinion especially on Animal Welfare.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Plan-to-push-for-halal-standard-rejected/2007/10/08/1191695801343.html

The others are whats going out to their People , Letters to Kevin Rudd Etc.

So If you want to know what Muslims are reading and what AFIC is saying to their flock you have a copy of some below
I will post more from time to time FYI

http://www.afic.com.au/Muslims%20Australia/Circular%20to%20Muslim%20Community%20regarding%20ban%20on%20Hijab%2015%20Oct%2007.pdf

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/alp-hits-out-over-attitudes-to-muslims/2007/10/04/1191091281223.html

http://www.afic.com.au/2007Images/Final%20Booklet-1.pdf

http://www.afic.com.au/Muslims%20Australia/AFIC%20Stance%20on%20ALP.pdf

ASymeonakis
It would seem to me we already organisations speaking out for migrants and Muslims.
Er, That idea from down South of starting a New Muslim party was axed by the last Government.( Just between u amd me)

That was around the 'same time 'the Government stopped ASTIC from handling the funds for Aboriginal affairs.( Must of been having a bad hair day)

Umm, Apparently there seemed some concern about Aboriginals with no education or abilty to read or write signing up as Muslims.

When you were involved in taking the ATSIC concern to UN did anybody happen to mention the further concern regarding funding meant for Aboriginal people possibly ending up going to fund some Muslim,er, programes?

No? Well you will have to invite me along next time you pop off to the UN. Oh dear but I forgot your too shy and private a person to give out your contact details -arnt you?

I do hope you overcome some of your problems and may I suggested the aboriginal people come before even unhappy Greeks- Although I have only ever met one and 'thats you.'
But How do I really know your not telling porkies?
Now you wouldnt tell fibs would you ASymeonakis

Johnny Rotten,

“ Fractelle is right we DO have as much to fear from the likes of BD as we do from Muslim extremists.”

If you really believe this you are a nut case. Your comparison of BD with Muslim extremists is the most insulting thing I’ve seen on OLO –along with the comments from the original idiot, of course.

I am a non-believer myself, but I have always respected David’s sincere beliefs and the way he practises them in his life.

You have chosen the right pseudonym, Mr. Rotten.

LEIGH.. ! ur stealing my lines mate :)

Johnny..

You confuse ARROGANCE and 'CONFIDENCE'.

Please stop whining like a little kid. Robust argument is just that.. ROBUST.. let ur passions loose.. this is a forum for goodness sake.

I don't mind being called a heap of names.. being berated and rebuked... and if people contrast me with Christ.. I rejoice all the more. At least they are using the correct standard.

Take it from me...or take it from Leigh and Yabby... its the same message. The problem is not 'muslims' it is ISLAM.

I've just had a conversation with a Muslim who works at Ford.. rang him to get info about something. His number is on a web site for what I thought I was trying to locate. He was a gracious and decent sounding bloke.. so..I tried out Surah 9:30 with him.. "Mate.. what do you make of the bit about 'Allah destroy' the Christians and the Jews?"

He came back and (predictably) avoided the actual question, but after beating around the bush for a bit, mentioned that "associating partners with Allah in Islam is the worst possible thing you can do"

He mentioned "context.. understanding that verse in the light of the whole of the Quran etc" all of which I agreed with, and already recognize, but none of that changes the verse or its meaning..which he totally confirmed. "Christians and Jews are cursed by Allah"

Now.. Johnny, you might not be able to relate to such statements, unless of course I show you how 'polytheist/atheist infidels' which presumably you are (correct me if I'm wrong) are under more serious judgement and cursing than even we Christians or the Jews.

Now.. as I mentioned in the post about 'INTERPRETING DOCUMENTS' above..

I singled out ONE sentence "Dispose of the Jews and their work"

Now..with the hindsight of history, we know that resulted in over 6.000.000 human beings getting gassed and cremated.

So..forgive me if I'm rather enthusiastic about opposing and raising awareness about those who claim I am under Allah's curse.

"He came back and (predictably) avoided the actual question, but after beating around the bush for a bit,"

Sounds a lot like the reaction we get from Boazy when questioned about aspects of the old testament.

Also Boazy for all his concerns about Allah not liking jews and christains does not seem very troubled by the character of his god who if fundie christians are to be believed plans to burn most of us in hell for eternity, athiests, agnostics, muslims, buddists, primitive tribespeople etc.

If it's about the character of your god then Allah not liking jews and christains is no worse than Jehovah/Christ's plans for everybody else. Both ideas of god are evil and deserving of contempt when taken too literally.

R0bert

BD

You wouldn’t recognise robust debate if it shoved its fist up your jacksie, totally self-obsessed, you spend most of your posts:

Deriding the names of people with whom you disagree

and

Cherry picking the bible to suit whatever idea has crawled into your head at the time.

As for actually presenting an original relevant thought that actually applies to whichever topic you have selected for your evangelizing – well I guess that hell will freeze over before that happens.

As for drawing parallels between your extremist Christianity and Islam; yours truly, CJ, Fractelle and many others are quite accurate – you wish to impose your version of religion on everyone else and so do the extreme factions of Islam.

Your only saving grace is that you do not (apparently) use violence. Apart from that, your dogma is every bit as stultifying as the worst of Islam.

Your derision of others puts me in mind of a 7 year old bully and not the man of many years as I understand you to be.

I know I have just completely wasted my valuable time and this post, but just for once I would like to see you actually engage in discussion with people who hold a different opinion from you instead of deriding them.

Surely your god would prefer that you treat people with respect? Don’t you claim that your god is one of love? Well live the life you claim you have.