Well done Benny..It is great to see a revival of the other 2 threads..they did get ugly because certain pple were NOT INTERESTED in valid debate and clearly had other agendas..

I think the live animal export issue is very important and Arjay says that kangaroos in this country have it far worse..well kangaroos can move around at will at least, sheep are locked away and kept prisoner, unable to escape theyre miserable conditions.

"..well kangaroos can move around at will at least, sheep are locked away and kept prisoner, unable to escape theyre miserable conditions."

I guess its an interesting question, is it better to hop around
as an animal slowly dies of starvation and thirst, a slow and
agonising death over a long period of time, or be confined with
ample food, water, shelter, gaining weight. Perhaps the animals
might not agree with you Rachel. Who said the conditions are
miserable?

Its well known Yabby..

Yabby
Now we are on track. PALE doents have funds for plants. They do have contacts with several people interested. Your right in saying- well put your money where your mouth is. Mark Vaile and the Howard Government would be the best blokes to do this. Best thing I can do is open another post so any farmers interested can go in and look at the Free listings of such people. PALE is pushing the MLA , AVA and Governments to get behind this programe and adopt it "as policy." Labour wake up.
It will take years to faze live exports and promote Free Range. We need it as policy now. We are not saying- Dont Eat Meat. We are not saying Ban Live exports overnight as much as we would like to see it stop. Have you even read this?
http://www.halakindmeats.com/submissions.html

And For Goodness Sake PF there are many foriegn investments in Australia. You wont loose your land or your farm. They dont want to move in and camp with you.They cant take the land with them. They want direct Free Range farm animals and are prepaired to pay for it. They love the idea of having a investment in farms in Australia.

To answer your question what does pork have to do with Halal - nothing. We are not only working with Muslims but many countries that do eat pork. We started with Halal only because it is the longest trip on board ships to the Middle East. Thanks for telling us about landline. It was great!. You have much to be proud.
Rachhel 106 Sheep are locked away on ships. Good to see people who care.Dont let the old bullys put you off.
Good stuff PF
Good work from Animals Australia. Might send them a big bunch of flowers from old Benny.
I dont think I am supposed to say that but never mind. Can you look up your book of rules and codes for me pig farmers and let me know. There are so many quite frankly I dont know if I am Arthur or Marther.

Its clearly not well known Rachel, just various claims by various
animal welfare groups, all who seem to have their hands out for
public donations. Everything I've seen from them, they rely on
old historical footage, rather then up to date information.

Animal welfare now is big biz you know. I gather Peta's income
is over 20 million $ a year. Without something to claim, no doubt
the donations would not be so forthcoming. When will they start
improving the accuracy of their claims?

Australia has amongst the world's highest standards for animal
exports:

http://www.mla.com.au/TopicHierarchy/IndustryPrograms/LivestockExports/Default.htm

I remind you of the standards that apply to live exports. Have you
ever bothered to read them?

http://www.daff.gov.au/livestockexportstandards

If you want to destroy the living of thousands of farmers, you
are going to need some rather good reasons, not just out of date
information for your claims. Fact is, if live exports stopped
tomorrow, there would be far more suffering of both animals and
people, then there is now. No organisation has put up a credible
and workable option to live exports. Reality has to be faced,
so best to improve the trade, improve conditions in the Middle
East and other countries of the world. Clearly Australia leads
the field in these matters, as is evidenced above.

Yabby I seriously doubt you are anymore privvy to 'up to date info' than anyone else.

You spend most of your time..evenly spaced through out the day, on this forum,so I dont see that you actually get involved in any real way about the workings of live sheep exports, animal welfare issues nor anything else..its just not possible.

Do you realise for a man who is supposedly so busy(as you state on your 'hypocrites' thread re-old ducks beings talkers as opposed to you being the hands on farm man...the doer,the man who makes things happen..you and PF of course)you spend an awful lot of time in very close vicinity..rather like a housewife, to your computer??

Yet you are an expert on all the latest news re: live exports and every other subject.

It was pointed out on that thread also tthat you were the one who spent the biggest chunk of his life on this forum, in front of his computer as the ultimate 'keyboard cocky'...bravo