Just like to put my 2 bobs worth in here..

It would seem to me that human intervetion has little to do one way or the other about populatory numbers of kangaroos.
They exist at times in vast numbers over much of Australia and in huge areas no dams or discernable water sources to be found..these animals can travel over a 100 miles in a day easily and indeed cross borders back and forth regularly.
They derive most of their moiture from grass and other foliage and exist as moist native animals do on these sources alone when they have to.

Wombats and the like ,especially on the Nullabor dont have access to waterholes..there are a few underground caves and some animals make use of it but most do not.There is an abundance of all kinds of wildlife out there..Dingoes, rabbits, roos, wombats etc...no dams to be seen though and my time was there as a shooter in the drought.

"I think Yabby that all this stuff about roos dying in drought is just a red herring to deflect from the real issue regarding live sheep export."

Well actually its about city slickers accepting the reality of
nature, not what Hollywood taught you. All those fuzzy wuzzy
hormones distort peoples thinking too, if you follow neuroscience
at all.

"Since when were the csiro the holy grail of reporting?"

Well when it comes to good science, they are in fact the bees knees
in Aus and have a reputation of being world famous. So when it comes
to credibility, ignore them at your peril.

If you can prove CSIRO wrong, thats fine. Do it with facts.
Meantime if its you versus CSIRO, my money is on them :)

List of Up to date info on drought areas in Australia

FYI

Drought stricken areas NSW
http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au/reader/drt-area-200610-large.gif

Exceptional Circumstances NSW and the ACT Map of EC declared and prima facie areas
http://www.affa.gov.au/content/output.cfm?ObjectID=50558734-8C7F-4C70-9E212AA8276393A8

Victoria
Exceptional Circumstances EC Boundaries - Victoria
http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/climate/drought/20061004.shtml

Exceptional Circumstances (EC) Boundaries South Australia
http://www.affa.gov.au/content/output.cfm?ObjectID=CE1AF38C-5903-4495-B6CA579519C0E17F

Exceptional Circumstances (EC) Boundaries Western Australia
http://www.affa.gov.au/content/output.cfm?ObjectID=50558734-8C7F-4C70-9E212AA8276393A8

Queensland Drought situation
http://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/QueenslandDroughtMonitor/QueenslandDroughtReport/HiddenArea/LatestDroughtTable.pdf

Droughts in Tasmania
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/2f762f95845417aeca25706c00834efa/595289D16641D263CA25710E00756145?opendocument

Fire Note
http://www.bushfirecrc.com/publications/downloads/BCRC_Firenote_Seasonal_outlook220906.pdf

I was watching landline yesterday and the grim picture for sheep graziers. Old ewes being sold for $1, excellent lines of merinos sold for $15 a head. It does seem that the only thing saving a lot of farmers is live exports.

Now, the farmer that only got $1 for his ewes, what do you think he is going to do with the others he has in his paddock if he cant find a better price than the saleyards?

I have seen many comments on other threads from posters that profess to care about the australian farmer and how much we should support them. Do they really mean what they say?

My question to any people against live exports - at what point do you stop putting animal welfare before human welfare?

Worldgirl
Good thread.
Real farmers kill themselves laughing at many of the CSIRO reports that are adopted by Government and others when setting quota etc regarding many issues.
They dont have to search the net they just know the real deal.
There is if every you are interested a educational farm stay just off the Gold Coast that lectures on Roos and farm animals.

http://www.mysterymountain.com.au/

Anytime your passing do drop in for a week.

People concerned about animal welfare are always welcome
On the House.

Might even be able to russle up some Roo Stew. Or there are some Yabbys kicking around .

We pick up the praws fresh off the trawlers and everybody has a good time while learning about wildlife and animals.

Doors open jump hop in.

PF

The best people to answer your question are the RSPCA who have a long standing objection to live exports.
We know this country has drought so lets look at taking some reasonsibilty
You cant just say oh well.
A good business person plans things not just lets animals suffer because they got it wrong yet again. That is called irresponsibly.
Didnt you mention on a earlier thread you had a RSPCA accreditation for some sort of farm project.
Goodness me do you not feel if that really is the case it might no it be a rather large embarresment to them if you are now supporting the very trade they stepped up their public camping against recently?

It was only months ago that the RSPCA for the first time in its history used radio and newspaper advertising against live exports .
They were even critized for doing their job with claims it was done purposley just before elections.
RSPCA are strongly opposed to the cruel live export trade along with every other animal welfare group not only Australia wide but world wide.
Nobody condones it that has regard for animal welfare.
I am not talking about money but animal nothing justifies such barbaric cruelty .
This is mainly die to large body corps who are not farmers. I know many many many real farmers who refuse to send thei animals live. They make sure they go to local slaughter only.
Live Exports is our nations greatest shame. The whole world is talking about our Cruelty to animals. We are far too far from the rest of the world. It is utter cruelty and madness and its about time the uniouns fixed there major part in this.
Labour do you not feel any reasonsibilty to fixing the mess you helped to create?

You cant have one foot in each camp. People are either for animal welfare and support RSPCA totally or they are not.
To be in both camps at the same time makes people hypictrits
Here are a few words from RSPCA about live exports
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/tas/content/2006/s1593490.htm