I've just been reading the Weekly Times, a Victorian farming
paper, plus watching the news about the Eastern States situation.

Thousands of cattle are being trucked from Victoria to Qld,
as they have a bit more slaughter capacity there. In Vic and
SA they are discussing digging holes to bury unwanted sheep,
as meatworks can't cope. Many are selling for 1$ a head,
so farmers are losing bigtime and will need help.

Benny-wenny etc, if you really want to make a difference,
get the Govt to change its union dominated, inflexible
meat industry employment policy! Meat production is
different, they are live animals, rainfall is unpredictable.

We ignore that at our peril. Many meatworks stand empty
for 16 hours a day, lack of staff. Fly them in as required,
seasonally, they benefit, we benefit, the animals benefit.

Win-win situations is what we need, I am proposing one!

union
You say? Are you sure Yabby? Since when did Howard not have control over the Senate . Is it not true that thousands of workers are coming to take up jobs here? Why do you think it is that its so hard to get them to do more for abattoirs and workers of abattoirs umm? I mean god forbid the Government used its powers to call if you like a state of emergency to rush workers over here into plants. Why they could even come up with the novel idea Yabby that it was an animal welfare and farmer emergency.
No Yabby its not the unions they are concerned about.
As you once said the Government made certain changes years ago and descions to work with the trade dollar and the huge corperate companies involved support their party.
Tell you what though there is nothing wrong in what you are saying.
In these circumstances for now I would suggest they do something with the Government and get some workers over here pronto even if they slaughter here and send whole carcuss. Malaysia would do that in a heart beat. You could ring your State Ministers office down there and I will call Peter Beatties office up here. After all they each are also ministers of Trade for their own states.
Maybe while you are calling you could ask John Howard considering we were so kind to people in the Tsuame if we could have a thank you back in Bananas.
We could as you suggested do a back to back. .
Its a pity the animals must be trucked so far but its a start.
Do you know which plants they are going to up here?
I would prefer to fly staff to Vic if you know who the operators are. Do you?
By the way I read your post on the farmers thread.
I left a post there.
yabby the way to bring staff in is to bring them in as students to learn English and provide training . Korea are interested to run such programes.

Slaughtering of animals is hardly off topic wenny. After all, isnt the question 'what are people against live exports about?'

How can people that know nothing of the subject make an informed opinion? Like I said, a person's whole reason for wanting to ban live exports could be to get that vision of sheep with cut throats out of their heads.

All you vegetarian, animal welfare groups are missing a great opportunity to exploit this really. Teach people the truth about were their food comes from, you might get some converts :)

How can people that think milk comes from cartons, woolies manufactures eggs, meat comes on little black trays and only middle eastern countries cut the throats of sheep, possibly be taken seriously when they join a campaign against 'whatever' cause. I think they just jump on the band wagon, do a lot of talking, raise funds for god knows what, interrupt the lives of hard working farmers and brand farming as cruel. And for what? They can forget what the saw on 60 minutes and move on. Just take that idiot on another thread who thinks all farming should be banned. How many like him are there? Scary.

My sister is a primary school principal. She tells me that from next year they are going to start to teach children about farm animals. She quickly added that it still would not be what I wanted them to hear. They will be using the softly softly approach - milk comes from cows, eggs from chicken etc. Whos going to teach their parents?

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Its important the public know the difference between PETA Animal Liberation and main stream people.
The best way to teach people is to stick to RSPCA guide lines. RSPCA are not against people eating meat but believe the animal should be slaughtered as close to the farm it came from as possible.
Your words all "you" vegetarian groups could mislead the public. Considering the title of the thread is- What are People Against Live Exports about.
People Against Live Exports are main stream people who work with the Branch of RSPCA QLD to assist in brining about changes and to find alternatives to live exports. People who would prefer animals were slaughtered before leaving the country and exported in boxes.
There has been many posts covering the more extreme groups that protest about people eating meat. Its been made clear people Against Live Exports are not vegetarians, although everybody is welcome to have input regarding Animal Welfare. To discuss slaughter methods such as kosha, Halal and our Australian method of the bolt really requires another thread. I am particularly interested in the gas plants being used for -
Why dont you open one considering your involved in the meat industry. Its up your alley. I certainly would be very happy to discuss slaughtering methods there. Representatives from Malaysia expressed interest in looking at this use for their Halal Slaughter last year.
Yabby has put up a good idea couple of threads back so I am more interested to take his advise and make some enquiries as to how this idea could be put forth asap. Although its clear there is a greater requirement for refrigeration accross the broad.
Do you not agree it is a excellent idea of Yabbys?
If everybody actually thought before they posted like he has on this ocassion it would help a great deal.
Yes I did notice that other person. Surely your not surprised.
Scarey isnt it and it will only get worse under the new media laws.

Wenny, I'm not sure if you understand how the art of politics works.
The libs may well control the Senate, but they also know that there
is an election next year and that IR laws will be an issue, so
want to give away no reason for it to become a bigger issue.

Meat unions have complained loudly about 457 visas, despite not
having the workers to fill the jobs. There was a big drama case
in SA about it. When WA abattoirs tried to bring in 160 workers
to deal with the drought here, the Feds made it so hard, with
29 pages of rules, including paying school fees for the kids etc,
that the whole project fell through and was canned. The whole
thing is coming from Vandstones office, its not a state issue.

What the meat industry needs, is a simple, flexible system, as
it will always be a seasonal industry, as rainfall will always
vary. Not everyone wants to come and live here, some prefer their
countries, they just want the relatively big money they can earn
here, save it up for 6-9 months or whatever, take it home and
live like kings there, in their own cultures, families etc.
So why not let them? Its a win-win all around. The only ones
against it are unions.

The libs won't let it happen, for that reason, allowing for the
upcoming elections. If labour agreed with it, it would be a different
story, then it could not become political.

Yabby
You are absolutly one hundred percent correct. Gavern Oconner and his adviser have made several noises about meeting to discuss this issue. I personally think Simon Crean has the forsight but I also know the issue is knocked on the head by Jack Lake. If Beaszley had another adviser it would go a long way to fixing some of these problems. labour are a major contribiter to the cause for live exports in the first place. Remember the Government are brining in thousands of overseas workers Yabby next year to take up different jobs in regional areas. Its mainly the meat works thats got the huge no go sticker. Its not only the uniouns but opposition from the big corps who push the live animals export trade.
Yes the elections are next year which is why the public need to know who is against bring in abattoir workers to make life more humaine for animals. Once they understand they can write to the relavant labour Minister and Beazley to voice their views. Enough letters and you might get a change of policy. the AVA should also support your idea along with RSPCA. Its certainly worth chasing up.
Lets not even talk about Amanda with her high animal welfare standards I am not a idiot and i assure you I understand where the preshure is coming from- both the unuions and the people with conflicts of interests.
like I said your idea is good.