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Jihad: Just a matter of time?

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There has been significant debate of late regarding the growth of Islam in Australia, and throughout the world. Our media has painted Muslims as hell bent on dominating the world. I have a limited understanding of Islamic belief, but certainly the media has made me aware of Jihad.

So, are we destined to Jihad? Is there any way of building bridges prior to this happening or is it just something that needs to happen before we can move on to the next dimension of world culture?

Further, if this is the case, what are the ramifications? Where will this lead? How will it affect Australia and the wider community? Alternatively, what can be done to encourage coexistence or better still collaboration? Are there points of balance which we can leverage to achieve a common purpose?
Posted by Corri, Monday, 10 December 2007 11:04:30 AM
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You mean, it STILL hasn't happened?.

Maybe all that isn't as prevalent as they'll lead you to believe.
Posted by StG, Monday, 10 December 2007 5:42:51 PM
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Dear Corri,

Whenever something new is introduced into our society we tend to look at it with mistrust. Especially if its something that is alien to our own culture. There has been so much negativity about Islam in the media, rightly or wrongly assumptions have been made encouraging bias.

A lot of the responsibility has to rest with the Muslim communities themselves. It would help a great deal I imagine if they would participate in the re-education of the public. If they would discourage their fanatics from airing their views to the media.

However all this will take time. We're still dealing with the horror of the Bali bombings, September 11th, the UK bombings and so on...

Will a jihad happen here in Australia? I certainly hope not. Only time will tell. However, in the meantime, we do need to build bridges with the Muslim communities and ensure that their leaders understand what Australians will and will not accept. They have to be part of the education program. It's not only the Australian public that needs to be educated. This has to be a two-way process.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 10 December 2007 6:10:25 PM
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Before worrying about whether Jihad is some bloodthirsty war that might happen in the future, at least understand that exactly what Jihad means is widely disputed, and relatively few Moslems these days see it as some mass uprising in which the whole world is converted to Islam by force. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad is as good a place to start as any.
Posted by wizofaus, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 8:16:13 AM
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Dear Corri
"Jihad" is already occurring here.

Phase 1 "Jihad"/struggle with the inner person.. to strengthen it in Allahs ways, loving what Allah loves(the Muslims), hating what Allah hates.(thats us)

Phase 2 The nature of Jihad moves from the 'building up the community' to embarking on more aggressive overt struggle.

Example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs

(If they are prepared to do the above while a minority.. what if they were a majority?)

If you wish to understand the 'pattern' of how Jihad moves from one phase to the other, please read this background report from Human Rights Watch, it is well researched based on first hand information.

Notice the factors involved:

1/ Increasing numbers of Muslims
2/ Increasing calls for more political power
3/ Increasing polarization of Muslim and non Muslim communities
4/ Armed struggle once the 'trigger' event has occurred.

The 'Trigger' event will always be portrayed as 'Christian/Western/Jewish/Crusade against Muslims' as here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMpMvEENdFc

That is exactly what happened in Central Sulawisi/Ambon... as I've referred to this information in other threads.

Main Article:
http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/12/indo1204.htm
Detailed report:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/indonesia/

I truly hope you read that info....you will be much better informed when you do.

One theological element is not appreciated even in this report.. the idea of 'Muslim Lands' for this you need to read the Hamas Charter here..
http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
Read 'Part 3, Article 11 "Strategies and methods." (its only a paragraph)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 9:38:34 PM
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Funny, Islam has been round since 622 AD and we have only now started to hear about it. What could possibly have stirred these Muslims up so much?
Posted by redabyss, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 11:45:37 PM
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