It's kind of nice to see that, no matter how hard Boazy blows his dog whistle this week about the supposed Muslim menace, even the mutts don't seem very interested.

Maybe they've worked out that he's all puff and no dog biscuit - more wacko than schmacko, so to speak :)

Thank you for your posts ... this was certainly intended to raise some of the issues discussed in other threads - with the hope that we may have seen a Muslim input as well.

There are two sides to every coin, and in this case, I am with those that hope that we don't have to resort to violence once again to sort out differing opinions.

Australia is a place of hope, though often unless you've travelled this is hard to register.

Redabyss... ask not 'what stirred them up'.... instead ask. "On what theological foundation do they manifest their disquiet"?

Only when you understand that, will you have the true picture.

There are many nations and people groups and religious groups who suffer persecution, and pressure from others.. PhaLunGong in China is one, do you hear them calling for a Jihad or.. just making the fact known in the world media?

Tibetan Buddists are another.. do you hear them calling for war against China ? Do you hear of roadside bombs against Chinese convoys?

You seem to view this issue through very 'western/liberal democratic' blinkers with little understanding of historical Islam.

You would benefit greatly from reading the Hamas Charter and the expansion of Islam.

http://history-world.org/islam4.htm
<<The Islamic state expanded very rapidly after the death of Muhammad
through remarkable successes both at converting unbelievers to Islam and by military conquests of the Islamic community's opponents. Expansion of the Islamic state was an understandable development, since Muhammad himself had successfully established the new faith through conversion and conquest of those who stood against him.>>

The ONE point you should note, is that the early history and its reflection in the Hamas Charter BOTH speak quite naturally about 'violent conquest'.

As it was 'then'......so it is 'now'...and will continue to be. The foundation is the same.

CJ... *Here's a bone* must be lonely out there in the doghouse.. another week will probably be enough, then... back porch mat again. :)

Corri

BOAZ_David tells you that "Jihad" is already occurring here.

And his evidence? Well, none really. But he does give you five links that suggest will reveal it all.

I've looked at all five since I've formed the view that BOAZ is either a fanatic or a charlatan.

Item 1: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs) is a 2006 item about Muslims demonstrating in London about Danish cartoons lampooning aspects of Islam. The item was created and sponsored by an American organisation, NAFA (the Nine-Eleven Finding Answers Foundation) which is dedicated to anti-Islamic causes. Its funding sources are not stated. There is no reference to Australia.

Item 2: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMpMvEENdFc) simply takes you to YouTube and leaves you stranded. There is no reference to Australia or to anywhere else actually.

Item 3: (http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/12/indo1204.htm) is a 2002 American article about Central Sulawesi. There is no reference to Australia.

Item 4: (http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/indonesia/) is more detail about Item 3. Again there is no reference to Australia.

Item 5: (http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html) is an undated pastiche called 'Selected Documents Regarding Palestine" from an organisation called The Jerusalem Fund and the Palestine Center. There is no reference to Australia.

So you see Corri, when David BOAZ says Jihad is already happening here, he really takes you to the heart of Australian life in 2007, doesn't he?

Dear Frank.... you can do much better than that mate....

I did not imply that any of those items were specifically about Australia, but I used them to demonstrate various behavior of Muslims in various place at different stages of 'Jihad'....

I also made the clear distinction between 'phase 1' and 'phase 2' so you are the charleton to misrepresent me. (there is room in Pericles/CJ's doghouse for one more)

I also pointed out that Jihad is not neccessarily only 'violent' (jihad of the inner person). Hmmm you missed that ?

I'm glad you took the trouble to view or look up the sources, at least, to your credit it shows a willingness to enquire.

The item about the Muslims protesting in London is very valid.. the funding or origin means nothing, you saw it, you saw the signs.. tantamount to a declaration of sedition against Britain.

To view all the sources from Youtube, you need to open an account, and log on. Some items are very graphic and tragic, but they need to be known by those of us on the outside.

One aspect of testimony is 'corroboration' and there is ample for the HRW report from other sources, including anthroplogists who have worked in the area of Poso.

So, let me recap.

1/ Jihad is happening here (Phase 1..and partial phase 2 (13 on trial in Melb. 11 in Sydney)

2/ We can learn what to expect in behavioral terms from the radical elements based on what has happened in other place.. (note..OTHER).. hence the broad refernces.
cheers.

In the dog house with Frank and CJ, how cool is that?

Boaz, it doesn't matter how hard you huff and puff, there is simply not enough meat in your argument to sustain it. At some point, you will need to come to terms with a couple of truths:

1. Australia does not have a "Muslim problem"

2. There is no "Jihad" happening here, or any evidence that one is likely to surface in your or my lifetime, or even in that of our children and their children.

3. By continuing to take your approach of "whack-a-mozzie" at every opportunity, even to the point of generating threads on unrelated topics that you then use to introduce the same anti-Islamic sentiments, you are becoming part of the problem. Indeed the fastest way to prove me wrong on point 2. is to double your hate-think output, and develop rifts in society where there presently are none.

4. The beach punch-up at Cronulla (casualties: nil) was not, as you try to maintain, evidence of deep divisions caused by Muslims, but an isolated incidence of the "mods and rockers" style of pseudo turf-wars . If it really was sectarian violence, it would have escalated as in Northern Ireland, with one atrocity leading to another, rather than subsiding as quickly as it started.

Face it, the best you can do is foment the same kind of fear and loathing in others that you personally feel about people who do not share your religious views. Will this be enough to bring about the holocaust that you so fervently wish for in order to prove yourself "right"?

Fortunately, I don't believe you are that good at it.