The overnight outburst from Peter Costello must be closely looked at.
He we are told never had the numbers to challenge John Howard.
He was liked within his own party but more unpopular than Howard outside it.
If some one like Turnbull, even Nelson had been given a go 12 months ago the defeat would have been a lessor one.
But defeat it would have been still.
John Howard even after his wrong turn and march away from his supporters had too much sway over his party, Conservatives believed his legend.
Costello, the strange little man Abbot the equally bizarre ex foreign affairs minister must think party first, leave bring talent into the party, but not yet.
Wrong leadership and wrong policy's ,refusal to understand the defeat would see the seats lost.
Each public we should have done this or that only helps my party a few we got it wrongs are a good start but understanding it took all those 3 years all those actions fueled by blind faith in a leader who was lost already to demolish a government.
And they are unsure about workchoices?
Sorry but the Kevin 07 flag is still on the car and smile still on my face, vote for your rights at work still brings joy.

It has been one week yet it seems like a year to me, it is time to ask why the support for the burning embers of Howard's government.
I am finding it hard to understand why the talk about workchoices revolves around not passing it.
And that it was a union beat up? come some of those saying that are very bright people.
In time an understanding of its true impact on low income workers will come , but every day its harm is questioned is another lost day for conservatives.
My members office, he is not of my party, has already told me it was a bad policy badly put together and it hurt very much.
Yet in reality the window dressing will soon stop next year the day a new Parliament sits the huge task for conservatives will be forced home?
Predictions?
worse before it gets better for Conservatives
Nelson gone by end 2008
Bishop to stay a very long time.
Costello Abbot, Downer not to face another election.
NSW right to suffer its numbers reduced
One conservative party by 2010 election
That election a win to Labor ,less than 4 seats lost if any.

“I now have to withdraw the threads title, I got it wrong.”

I agree Belly, but for a different reason to what you state.

The title should not have had the word ‘conservatives’ in it.

The Libs need to get right away from that tired old tag and replace it with ‘progressive’ or something along that line.

If they continue to plug the conservative line I think you are right – there will be only one conservative party by 2010... and it won't be the Libs.

There is no point in them remaining conservative. That would mean remaining a shadow of Labor, basically.

They need to present a very different option. The nature of that option is very clear indeed to me, as I have elucidated in my posts above.

Hello Liberalparty, are you out there?

Can you respond to my posts of 28 November.

Thanks.

Ludwig with truly held respect, for the very same reasons I gave up this thread or was it another?
I was challenged with a view Labor was the best conservative choice in Australia.
Well it is! it may well be New Labor, no fears in that for me.
The lights on the hill of my childhood are gone the family now owns shares some like Brendan Nelson are Liberals and doing quite well.
Howard's downfall is not a sign peoples social conscience is stronger, just self interest is better served without him.
No party will rule us, ever if not based in voters heart land the center.
The party I fight has lost because it left its base, and because my party fought for the ground it vacated.
Social change can not be implemented from opposition Labor has no intention of visiting those bench's for some time.
On face value the Liberals have even less intent to return to our side of the house soon and even less chance.
Moderation of policy's and a bit of stealing ALP ground maybe but the day that mob become anything else is never coming.
May seem both unlikely and threatening to you and many but one day both major party's will often combine senate votes to over come the influence of minor party's.
Watch it happen, after all if it did not we would often be ruled by a handful of members.

Brendan Nelson polled half the votes Turnbull did in a poll asking who was the best leader.
If you have doubts about this poll please note only 9% thought Abbot should lead, that proves those polled understand the subject.
How long will it be? before it is fully understood this election result was much worse than Lathams?
That it was and is the lowest watermark ever for the Liberal party.
Yet it may get worse!
Nelson has to drag his party behind him for only a limited time Turnbull will remove him in time, then the rebuilding can start.
14% of voters said Nelson should be PM.
Over 60% said Rudd.
Total defeat.
Total rejection.
Now the NSW right continues to harm its party not serve it.
Bless them all , thanks for the Christmas present!