Morgan
Thank you. It was decent of you to let others know.

Scotty - the Moon bats are all after the same deal- votes power - Plus it’s worse than that.
Because it’s been let go so long we need an open public Royal Commission- but brother half of the crew along with Ministers both state and fed would probably take extended leave. See-[be sure to turn your music on]
http://www.livexports.com/cowgun.html

"For now the best thing to do is give the Greens more Power in the Senate."'

I would be open to suggestions of a public open Royal Commission and invite overseas media.
Dickie might be interested to help us find a pink tent and we can travel state to state and hold it in parks. Why the hell not?

It seemed to scare the living life out of old Bill Heffernan a while back.
60 minutes and a few others ought to find it interesting.

We could start in each state by opening with the findings of three Senate Enquiries held years ago- All of which found live Animal exports should CEASE immediately.

We would require a few lawyers retired judges maybe etc. It can be done-
I am going to say a lot more about bribes later Scotty.

It starts from the top. Isnt that right Mr Vaile Downer just to mention a few. For now however I am going to posts a few steps we "must take" to turn it around.

Its is SO entrenched here we must work with Saudis and other countries direct.
That is something the Governments are "desperate to stop from happening."
I am also going to expose Farmers Federations and MLA Austrade just to mention a few.
Sorry Yabbs but your wonderful faith in MLA is about to take a dive.
Speaking of diving I do hope you will take your togs along on your nice little floating feed bay when he head off to ME.
They tell it it gets a bit warm out there.
Rojo
I see you think it’s smart to send our Raw Materials off before value adding

"If only animal activists would lend a hand on the ground in those countries for real change."

Rojo

"Lend (ing) a hand on the ground" has had no effect, will not have any effect and is strictly industry and government propaganda which is unable to supply any evidence of reduced cruelty to animals - can you, Rojo?

The industry, with all its taxpayer funding, is arrogant indeed when it ensures the public that they are going to tell the Arabs how to treat animals.

Cruelty to animals in Muslim culture is ingrained into their every day life and into their religious festivals. The foundation rock of any culture is not easily removed and certainly not by "unbelievers."

"Dickie, you are a big girl and as such free to email MLA for exact figures."

Yabby, the protocol on this forum is for posters to supply a reference on request, to support their claims - not the other way around. If they are unable to, they are usually regarded as rather dodgy and unreliable.

I reiterate the previous requests for references and your comments:

1. Purported welfare work performed in the ME by farmers - facts, dates and figures:

"Meantime farmers are spending millions of their levy dollars to
change things in the Middle East. Actions speak louder then
words, yet once again!"

2. Scott Hansen from Meat and Livestock Australia says the film footage contains some of the worst cases of animal cruelty he's ever seen."
http://www.abc.com.au/news/justin/?page=7

3. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sz0e41mclaMJ:sweetness-light.com/archive/the-eid-festival-around-the-world-graphic-photos+animal+torture+muslim+festivals&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&lr=lang_en

This footage is quite current. Where are your farmer warriors in the Muslim trading countries?

Dickie, I've provided you with a reference point. MLA. Their
claims, their expenditure is publicly accountable. Just claiming
its all "propaganda" is a cop out. Admit it, you are against
farming and meat eating. You'd rather see Australian farmers
shut down.

Clearly the staff who work in the Middle East think that they
are making a difference. They could make far more of a difference
with some help, something that you veggies refuse to give.

If you'd listened to the Radio National broadcast, it was made
quite clear that under Islam, cruelty to animals is not acceptable.
To highlight that to people and persuade them to pay attention to
their own religion, makes perfect sense! Farmers are just not
as defeatist as you veggies seem to be.

Go and watch some hobby farmer in Australia shooting a cow
with a .22, after it runs around paddocks with more and more
bullets in its head. Go and watch a mob of shearers slaughter
half a dozen sheep for meat in some shearing shed. It looks much
like your Middle East pics. So do I call Australia "savages"
because of that? Thats what you are doing to Middle Eastern people.

The Middle East like everywhere, has some sophisticated people and
some primitive ones. Dubai today is one of the top world class
cities, not bad for a bunch of "savages".

Scott Hansen is free to propose extra expenditure and staff for
animal welfare projects in the Middle East. Then we'd make a larger
difference. Animal welfare groups in Australia could add money
and staff to make a difference. But nope, they clearly don't care
enough about Middle Eastern animals

"So do I call Australia "savages" because of that? Thats what you are doing to Middle Eastern people."

Ah....good try Yabby. Blame someone else when it is you who send off defenceless animals to a hell on earth whilst you salivate over your lucrative trade!

"Meantime farmers are spending millions of their levy dollars to
change things in the Middle East. Actions speak louder then
words, yet once again!"

How much, Yabby.......how much?? Last chance, Yabby or you will be viewed as a fraud and a trickster!

http://www.liveexport-indefensible.com/investigations/photos.php

. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sz0e41mclaMJ:sweetness-light.com/archive/the-eid-festival-around-the-world-graphic-photos+animal+torture+muslim+festivals&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&lr=lang_en

Rojo
I note you ignored my question. Do you agree with sending our Australian Materials off in their most valuable form?.
Leaving Animal Welfare aside just for five minutes can you explain why you prefer our employment opportunity’s sold off through sneaky trade deals that goes well above farmers heads but not the foreign owned feed lots and industry that have taken over.
Do you understand the back bone of regional country towns and how that work?

Dickie before I post a few things that will interest you I would like to ask Yabby whom he has dealt with in MLA.?
Who have you done business with in MLA regarding either live exports or the red meat trade Yabby?
I would really like to know?
Name just one person you can say you have worked with?
What about Ross. Do you know who that is Yabby?
You are speaking about live Exports and MLA and others often.
I am just wondering if you can give the forum readers one example of anybody lets say in MLA you have worked with.
Yabby I have read many of your posts in the past and I conclude you have had some export expereince but you honestly think live exports operates the same way asother industries.

It doesnt - Its dirty as!
Which reminds me did anybody hear on the early news today ?
The AWB enquiry apparently can not continue to go for bigger fish claiing they are out of funding.
When I called Downers office nobody knew anything about it. Phillip Ruddocks were all in a meeting whos umbrella this comes under.
The AFP might accept some funding as you suggested from Animal groups Yabby.
Might surprise everybody what turns up considering AWB are live exporters.

Dickie, perhaps you salivate over your lucrative weekly pension check,
if you think that farmers salivate over paying their bills. I remind
you that sheep farming is one of the least profitable industries
in Australia, no wonder the Australian flock has virtually halved.

Most farmers in fact do it for the lifestyle, many have second jobs
to pay the bills. I remind you that right now a kg of sheep on the
local market, is worth about half the cost of a kg of fertiliser,
as everyone makes a quid but farmers, who are at the bottom of
the cost chain and take the scraps of what is offered.

Yup millions have been spent Dickie, over a number of years and
will continue to. Perhaps it will be increased, which would be
great news. No thanks to the veggie brigade who spend nothing
on Middle East animal welfare and cleary don't care about improving
animal welfare in the Middle East. Much easier to just rattle the
tin in Australia, as they sit by their computer screens. Sounds
like its a lucrative business to me!

For you I would certainly not bother getting the information,
as you are old enough to do it yourself and a farmer hater.
The reference has been given, get off your own butt if you really
want to know. Its public information, email MLA.

Pale, the most valuable form is in fact live sheep. Even you should
be able to figure out that 60$ in the farmers pocket will create
alot more spending in regional areas then 15-20$. Besides,
where are all these meatworkers who want jobs? Why don't they apply
for jobs on offer now?

As to my dealings with MLA, yes I have had dealings with MLA,
in various divisions. As to what was said and to whom, that is
private information, not for a public forum. Besides I had one bad
experience with you, so as you know I would not deal with Pale
either, or give you any kind of private information.