I look to our north and see a very large manpower army.
I look further to the north and see a vast, almost unbelievable manpower army...growing larger and larger each year.
I look at Australia and I worry for her people especially now that most of the private semi-automatic firearms have vanished.
Are our defences sufficient for the next decade?

Geez Gibbo, just what type of Christian are you?

Semi-automatic weaponry for private citizens?

You are a very scary fellow.

Australia's expansive coastline makes it virtually indefensible, but what makes you so sure there are vast armies just waiting to invade our shores in the near future? Just what are you basing your claims on?

When you said you had moved further south I thought you meant to escape the cane toads, the most successful invader thus far - just what or who are you talking about?

Christians Johnny Rotten have always had an interest in all aspects of their nations, including defence.
Have a look at Nehemiah in the Old Testament for a godly man re-building the city walls against Gods enemies.
I got interested in defence through the discovery of revelations (visions and prophecies) from The Lord to good, solid, Bible-believing christians about an invader on Australian soil because of the sins of the people...and the search for more of them (Christian Revival coast to coast being the key to getting Gods help against this invader. he wont help a nation in sin). I wont subject the reader to these revelations, there's just so many, unless asked. The material is unnerving and yes I did leave QLD because of them. I see the enemy, in those days, a way off yet, as moving as far south as Byron Bay, NSW (from the book WHAT WILL BECOME OF AUSTRALIA by pastor Jack Burrell 1975). It seemed wise considering the state of Australias national defences (pop out and hire "Red Dawn" with Patrick Swayze. You will get a clear picture of Australias national defences as we see them today). Youre right about wide-open to invasion yet nothing much has been done beyond the regular army etc and the weekend warriors for decades. Defence Minister Brendan Nelson writes to me and says "no citizens home guard defence force is needed". If only he knew! After the Port Arthur massacre 10 years ago Mr. Howard took all of the semi-automatics off the gun clubbers and the farmers... BUT... did he put a compensating number of military handweapons back into the defence cupboard. To my knowledge no! Does anyone have any ideas that might help Defence? Both Indonesia and China wait for a change in the world military climate, which can happen. I dont want pagan nations on Australian soil. The visions and prophecies say that an enemy... actually got here.

Brendan Nelson wrote to you telling you that no "citizens defence home guard is needed?!".

Good grief. What is it you suggested to him?

Actually, don't answer that. It already scares me that there are fundamentalists like you living out there, readying themselves for some imaginary apocalyptic conflict.

It would be funny if it were a caricature. But you're not normal Gibo. You are aware of that right?

I sincerely suggest you seek help, for your own mental health and well being.

If you think buying second hand, two decade old tank technology and two amphibious, easily attacked and destroyed sea vessels is security (which no doubt most Australians will embarrassingly glow with nationalistic pride over), then yes.

The real tragedy is the government spending.

Maybe if "they" are growing stronger and stronger each year and if you really believe that they are definitely going to be a threat at some time in the future, then a military pre-emptive strike would have to be the best strategy.

Otherwise we could develop some really serious WMDs and rattle some sabres - maybe obliterate some small Pacific nation as an example.

I'll leave that up to you Gibo.

You go on ahead. We'll all be along in just a moment.

Well TRTL. If there is anything I know its prophecy.
Ive been at it a long time.
Good solid christian prophecies. Good solid christian visions. Visions from The Holy Spirit to christians who have been born again many, many years... who pray daily, read their Bibles or listen to The Word on tape everyday, who fellowship with other christians ongoing, who witness to Jesus Christ and His Glory as The Lord leads. Real committed people led by The Holy Spirit. I know the "signs of the times" because Ive been watching them for 24 years. In the endtimes its little other than wars, earthquakes, famines, diseases (Luke chapter 21), out of control crime (2 Timothy 3), the rise of "the beast", the worlds final dictator (Revelation 13:16-18/14:9-11)...and the great Chinese outward march (Revelation 9:16 and 16:12). China is building now. Have a look. Why does she build when she is under no threat. She gets ready for a clash with the USA. In a day of invasion we stand alone. If the enemy gets through the planes and the ships and the subs, which they will, then on Australian soil its "Red Dawn". Ordinary men and women with bolt action and lever action rifles and maybe an old Armalite out of defence stores. The present 80,000 or so Austyrs the army has would feed little other than a pip squeak home guard. The Chinese would eat this country. Brendan Nelson has, to my knowledge, no knowledge of christian prophecy. He's like the rest who shelter in their hearts under the US nuclear umbrella. They have no experience with Gods people or prophecy or visions at all. Theres a whole world apart out there where The Holy Spirit moves amongst ordinary christian believers...and its such a precious place to be. Imagine knowing what God is going to do before it happens.

Gibo - in any given age you could locate the exact same signs.

Seers throughout history have made a mint from the same chicanery. Go back a few decades and it would have been the Japanese or the reds under the bed. Or the Russians. Or the fascists, or whoever it is who is playing the role of boogeyman. I'm just surprised you didn't pick Islam, as they seem to be the threat-du-jour these days.

I agree with you Steel.
They have been buying rubbish for decades. Spending huge amounts of dollars on an enemy not getting here, but neglecting "when an enemy does get here".
The movie of the week is "Red Dawn" with Patrick Swayze if you want to see Australias defences if that enemy gets here...and I believe he will. High school kids with bolt action rifles is what the movie is all about.
I believe satan got hold of the defence spending people somewhere years ago and corrupted them with by their huge pride and led them into irresponsibility.
They know no secrecy either in Defence. A few years ago they built a $30million dollar ammo dump down near Eden, NSW and couldnt wait to tell the press so the great asian armies to our north could read where it was built. My longing for, is that one day the gun clubs will see the light! and the stupidity of whats been going on! and establish their own home guard and take the whole land-based defence thing out of defences' hands as far as the citizens are concerned. No pagan nations on Australian soil. They do not respect the women and the children.

I know TRTL about the tricksters in history but Im not selling anything.
Im only speaking about what I know is happening with revelations amongst the christian churches. Once upon I knew nothing of prophecy let alone an invader. Prior to 1983 I didnt even know Jesus as my Saviour. I had locked myself out of the christian world before that year. Once I gave my life to the Lord I began to hear things.
I dont like the work I do but I do care about my country and especially the women and children in a time of enemy soldiers on Australian soil. In the Old Testament time and time again God turned the children of Israel over to their enemies because they wandered over into idolatry and sexual immorality. It can happen here for the same reasons. I believe Islam is too disorganised to come south unless America gets so tied up fighting here and there (maybe one day with China over Taiwan) they cant come to our aid (click on invasion of australia david kriss). I got worried about defence when I saw the private guns go (not complaining about that...too many criminals around with guns) and when I observed no replacement factor in defence arsenals. Even though the prophecies and the visions are about sin and a nation in sin and what can happen to a nation in sin I would still like to see a fighting chance for the people. As Mao said back in 1963 I think it was, recorded in Time magazine, he could put 200million soldiers into the field anytime he wanted to. That 200million corresponds with the 200million of Revelation 9:16 and 16:12. Theres a hole, I believe, between the loss of those private firearms and what exists for the citizens in defence arsenals. I want that hole filled. I dont expect nukes to be used in any defence of Australia. Their use might trigger a bigger conflict.

Gawd help us. We're doomed.

What I don't get, Gibo, is that if this impending military invasion is part of a prophecy that is in turn a portent of the imminent Apocalypse and Rapture - why are you worried about it?

Aren't you going to be whisked off by Jesus or a flying saucer or something (Jesus in a flying saucer?) just before the end?

So then Gibo, what do you suggest before Jesus comes? It might be hard to get enough migrants or breed fast enough to form an army big enough to repel 200 million, so how about less labour intensive protections like atomic weapons microbial agents?

Gibo, not every prophecy of doom in the past has come from someone trying to sell something. Actually the scary thing is that I dare say that most doomsdayers (both past and present) fully believe their own message. Gibo, I'll try saying it slowly for you - just because YOU believe it doesnt make it true.

Now for the fun.... if you want to linking an invasion to revelations, you would do well to start with the fact that the book starts with a child being taken by a red dragon. Red and Dragon are both things that are very easily linked to China. Thought you'd have trotted those examples out quick smart! However, its also supposed to be 7 headed, and I cant find a link between 7 specifically and China.

BUT, your prophecy whether it be real or imagined, ignores the fact that Christianity is strong in China, and growing stronger constantly. I would assume that a christian nation (even if not officially so) wouldnt be your "pagan invaders" (although try saying that to the Iraqi's). Actually, pagan refers to someone that is not one of the three major religions, so neither China (growing Christian faith) or Indonesia (largely muslim) would fit the bill. Maybe you should be looking at hindu (and therefore pagan) India - they've got the Bomb too remember, so its not as easy to pull them up simply with threats, as they can make good on their own.

All digs aside though, I do agree that our defence is a bit of a joke. But dont forget that because it is difficult to defend due to its size and features, this also makes it much more difficult to invade - yes you can find some deserted shoreline, but there'll be plenty of overland marching with precious little infrastructure to assist, so large centres will have PLENTY of warning to evacuate or defend if an invasion from the north ever happened.

do calm down, children. indonesia is no threat at all. the jakarta government can't even keep it's provinces in line, much less threaten anyone else. no one else has any reason to invade, they can buy what they want more cheaply. do you imagine that china would let their mine be owned by jakarta?

invasions are seldom easy if the invaded people resist. look at what 5000 iraqi's are doing to the usa. it is true that oz would be a pushover if they didn't have the best moat in the world, but they do.

the only real chance of invasion is surreptitious, and that is happening now. our masters are locking us into dependency on the usa, and the result will ultimately be that we join puerto rico as quasi-americans. you may think this is a good thing, if you don't care about public health, public education, or ever being at peace.

Fester said:

"So then Gibo, what do you suggest before Jesus comes?"

Fester..if I may.. why not consult the good book on that one ? :)

JOHN THE BAPTIST said "repent, one is coming after me, the thong of who's sandle I am unworthy to untie"

Then... that 'one'...came.

JESUS.

His beginning message "Repent...for the kingdom of God is at hand"

His ending message "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:44-49)

PETER's message to the Jews who gathered at Pentecost:

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"

Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38)

When Peter spoke to Cornelious the Centurion he said:

43All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

PAUL at a synagogue, when asked if he had a message said:

38"Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. (Acts 13)

CONCLUSON.
So, my hope is you can work out what to 'do' on the basis of the above.
blessings.

I don't know what's scarier. 200 million chinese soldiers marching and swimming all the way across Sth East Asia to do nasty unspeakable things, or people like Gibo gettting their hands on semi-auto weaponry and explosives?

Who, realistically, could invade Australia at this point in time?. The Chinese would need to secure resources to move anything remotely looking like an army. We would see 'em coming a LONG WAY OFF, and hopefully someone would have the foresight to do something about it.

Fundi Islamic 'Terrorists' organizing an invasion?. lol. nope.

Indonesia?. How?

Gibo. Look at moi...look at moi. One word, WACO.

Being a sporting shooter, I am the last to support gun control and confiscation, but I'd make an exception in your case. You are dangerous.

Anyway, if we're invaded the Yanks will come and save their allies. Won't they? Yeah right! Ha Ha.

Gibo, are you that guy who has been writing those long letters to me?

Green ink. Tiny writing. Both sides of the paper. Long sentences. No paragraphs. Corners filled in. Up and down the margins too.

Thought so.

But it's OK, I haven't told anyone.

And I think they are watching me too.

"I don't know what's scarier. 200 million chinese soldiers marching and swimming all the way across Sth East Asia to do nasty unspeakable things, or people like Gibo gettting their hands on semi-auto weaponry and explosives?"

The thought of Gibo with a semi automatic is enough to give me nightmares.

Sargent Gibo and Private Boaz at your service......SIR! Eee gads!

Ditch: "Sargent Gibo and Private Boaz at your service......SIR! Eee gads!"

I'm thinking "F Troop" on methamphetamine.

I just thought of something worse: General SCOTTY.

I could say God forbid, but that mightn't be appropriate in this discussion. :)

So many questions guys and gals.
CJ. Im worried for the people. I love this country even though I was born in Scotland. I dont think any invasion is for a few years yet. My understanding is that China moves outwards across asia towards Israel after a 7 year Tribulation period in which we see the antichrist, the beast of Revelation 13:16-18/14:9-11 in charge of world politics. There's time yet to build this nations defences.
Fester. Only a small part of that 200million do I expect to move into Australasia. A citizens home guard defence force would do well. Decentralisation in support of the home guard would also do well. Its pretty hard to target a far-scattered home guard. Defence sure needs to do something. I dont expect the USA to be available to help much.
Country Gal. Many years ago I stopped trying to figure out Revelation. My granny says it will drive you mad if your try to figure it out. She also said that the little yellow men will one day rule the world. She's right there. For a while the KINGS OF THE EAST (Revelation 9:16 and 16:12) will be the men of the moment as they cross asia to Israel and Armageddon. My field is visions and prophecies from the christian churches...revelations supplimental to the Holy Bible. To date: Ive got about 14 from christians all over Australia. People from different churches. Strong born again christian folk. All of the revelations mention sin as the reason God will allow it. Thats why I push Christian revival all the time.

Find yourself a good doctor Gibo. One with a comfortable couch.

Actually Im not into guns. Not a gun in the family anywhere. But I know good Defences when I see them... and I dont see them. China has been ready for the outward march for decades. Remember what Mao said back in 1963? I mentioned it earlier in this thread. 200 million soldiers into the field any day he wanted to. And they have been building ever since. China is ready now but God stops them. He Has His Hand in front of that nation and wont let it march, until He is ready. I think God Is Gracious to Australia in allowing time to build our defences. It would help if some people got sacked though. Even John Howard mentioned he didnt like Defence buying big tech constantly.
THERES A HUGE HOLE IN AUSTRALIAS NATIONAL DEFENCES IN THE AREA OF "WHAT DO DO WITH AN INVADER IF HE GETS HERE". No private guns and an empty Defence gun cupboard (or so it seems). You ought to write to the PM about that!
Id love to see Brendan Nelson take a walk into retirement. He has no concept of whats coming.

Enemy paratroopers at Mt. Isa? Here's an interesting letter I received some years ago from a pentecostal christian lady pastor by the name of Sharon Moore.
She's been in Heaven with the Lord a few years now but I know she wont mind. She knew I was collecting visions and prophecies to help people know what was coming. What an incredible christian woman she was, so full with The Holy Spirit. A wonderful friend and counseller.
"Dear G,
Greetings in the precious name of Jesus. When we were living in Mt. Isa some twelve years ago my mother had a vision of enemy paratroopers landing just north of Mt. Isa. No one was expecting it to happen and when it did everyone was trying to get out but there was such a traffic jam. On waking mum felt The Lord spoke to her and said just these words "TWO BABY GIRLS". That very day two baby girls were born into the family, one was two weeks late and the other the day she was due. Mum felt this was a sign that one (event...the babies) came to pass and the other would also (the paratroopers). Some twenty five years ago I heard a prophecy saying that an enemy would invade Australia from the north and God would allow them to come so far into Australia because Australia has mostly has rejected God but then God would raise up another nation to fight on our side and God would put hooks in the jaws of the enemy and drive them back. When this happens dont give the people fighting on our side, but give God the Glory. Our son Mark had a word over his life that he would don uniform and quite a number who were in our church at the time got the same word from the same prophet that gave the first prophecy. This prophet was a true man of God who has since gone to be with The Lord and I have never known his prophecies to fail yet.
Christian love, Sharon Moore". 18:10.93.

"Id love to see Brendan Nelson take a walk into retirement. He has no concept of whats coming."

But a better one than you have Gibo.

We discuss a similar thing here Gibo:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=993#17383

Essentially, Australia's unlikely to be invaded soon, seeing as the countries that are likely to require our resources can already access them competitively via trade.

And I second ditch's sentiment about finding a doctor with a comfy couch.
If you're actually serious about them, your visions and belief in demons aren't the product of a sane mind.

Unlikely to be invaded or not is not the issue TRTL.
The fact is we are not ready for it.
Havent been and probably wont be. The revelations to the christians say the enemy got here! Whether one believes in them or not is not an issue. The fact is, they are there having been sent by The Lord as a warning about the consequences of sin. Many, many christians believe in them. Some very strongly.
Anyway you guys will be pleased. Im off tomorrow for a month. If you're not so apathtic you might write to the PM about Defence. Its Australias biggest black comedy. One revelation from a major christian pastor from Singapore, who came all of the way down to Australia in 2000ad to speak about an enemy in the region, says that in those days the nation is going to be so apathetic that the enemy will enter with hardly a shot fired.
Do you reckon thats good old Australia?

The problem with prophesies and revelations is that big events like invasions will almost certainly happen at some point. So the prophesy will be considered by the believers to be true. Human nature and world history dictates that eventually the relative stability that we now enjoy will one day falter. All we can hope for is that it much later than sooner. Its a bit like the End of the World scenario - bible-bashers willcrow when it happens as they'll say that their book is true, but even from wht we know scientifically, its an inevitability, so unless these prophesies can actually pinpoint a time (even if its out by a decade), they are as good as useless, as they only "predict" things that will eventually happen anyway.

I mentioned earlier a letter that Sharon Moore sent me about a vision her mother Bette Boske had some years ago of enemy paratroopers coming down just north of the city of Mt. Isa QLD and of the roads clogged with people trying to escape but they couldnt.
A copy of this letter of Sharon Moores I sent to the Australian Defence Department that year I received it from Sharon to receive a reply from Brigadier Adrian D'Hage of the Public Relations Department saying that he had sent it on to intelligence for them to have a look at... which shows that not everyone mocks revelation from Jesus Christ about future events.
Adrian has since retired and is currently writing spy novels. I believe he is doing well in his new career.

"Adrian has since retired and is currently writing spy novels. I believe he is doing well in his new career."
Posted by Gibo, Friday, 26 October 2007 7:36:37 AM

It figures.