The Jewish response to such tragic deaths is found in the "Wunetaneh Tokef" prayer.
It says:
“But repentance, prayer and charity, avert the severity of the decree”
- http://jewishjournal.com/judaism/holidays/224545/chilling-words-high-holy-days

How ridiculous it is to expect governments to protect you:

If you did wrong things that harmed others in your past, then surely you will suffer for it and be harmed yourself in turn - and in that case, not only human governments, but even the angels cannot protect you.

However, there is one way to mitigate your punishment - not by force, not by legislation, not by policing, not by further harassing and suppressing others, thus creating even more misery in the world. This is the authentic Jewish response and the only thing which truly works, they are the words of wisdom:

“But repentance, prayer and charity, avert the severity of the decree”

Let us pray for better times, a speedy and full recovery for the wounded and solace for those who lost loved ones.

Yuyutsu

#… How ridiculous it is to expect governments to protect you…#

It’s a long bow to suggest God takes you out for not being a good Jew.
Life is random. You can’t deny that wealthy people with access to better medical care can succeed better than poor people with limited access to medical care for example.

Better to believe that God is good, and the Devil is representative of evil, and evil befalls us all at some time. We can recognise evil with the help of God as a guide, and we should fight evil with gallantry in spite of weak leadership, evident in such times as now. God is on the side of good; but isn’t that exactly what Muslims believe, and killing Jews is acceptable to them as taught through the Koran.

The leadership is confused with recognising this simple point, you must take sides or you die prematurely. Both sides can’t be right, therefore death must befall both sides, Muslim and Jew. That fact is more profound!

Dear Dan,

«It’s a long bow to suggest God takes you out for not being a good Jew.»

And indeed I never made such a claim.

What I said was that if you make other people suffer, then surely, sooner or later, you too will suffer as a result.

«Life is random.»

Life only SEEMS random.
(otherwise you would not experience free choice)

«You can’t deny that wealthy people with access to better medical care»

Yes of course, but how come they are wealthy?

«Better to believe that God is good, and the Devil is representative of evil»

Believe what you like, but an existence of some "Devil" is a logical impossibility.

«we should fight evil with gallantry in spite of weak leadership»

Certainly by all means: do fight the evil within yourself. Every moment.

«but isn’t that exactly what Muslims believe»

Surprise surprise: many Muslims, especially Ahmadiyyans and Sufis, define "Jihad" just as that: "do fight the evil within yourself. Every moment."

«killing Jews is acceptable to them as taught through the Koran.»

Only to SOME Muslims.
Certainly not to Ahmed El Ahmad!

Yet I say unto you: if you hate Islam, then fight and eradicate the Islamist within you!

«you must take sides or you die prematurely»

Nobody ever dies before their time.
It only seems so from a limited human perspective.

«therefore death must befall both sides, Muslim and Jew.»

But of course, death will eventually befall us all, anyway, we don't need to do anything special about it.

Australia has become a “world leader in hatred” , says Mike Pezzullo (former Home Affairs Secretary) who was booted out by the stinking government because he told the truth: a big no-no for our appalling politicians.

Universities. Hate preachers. Nothing done.

ASIO announced in August last year that there was a 50% chance of a terrorist attack in Australia within 12 months.

Bingo. It happened. Why?

According to Pezzullo it will take 3 or 4 months to sort that out - if anything is actually done.

It's not looking good with Albanese banging on about more gun control instead of getting stuck into the real problem: radical Islam and his part in importing it into Australia; his failure to deal with antisemitism and his failure to protect Jewish Australians. And that's what it is all about - not his crap about an attack on “all Australians”.

Unless Albanese and all of our politicians grow backbones, Bondi will just be the start.

Albanese has not shown a skerrick of anger at the slaughter of 15 innocent Australians, including a 10 year old child. He is playing politics all the time. He is incapable of dealing with real issues.

It has been reported that an increasing number of Muslims are joining the Labor party. The organisation Muslim Votes Count is spruiking how they can cause change.

We are being colonised - with the help of Albanese.

Albanese is not up to the job. He is cowardly and incompetent. He is totally responsible for antisemitism in this country, merely even now chuntering about ‘gun control’ and ‘intelligence sharing’.

The voters who put him back in power after his last disaster are not blameless either.

Some more news starting to come out:

* It seems that the two Bondi murderers were prominent figures at the "Gas the Jews" protest held in Sydney a coupla days after the Hamas invasion of Israel in 2023

* it seems that the two Bondi murderers made a trip to the Philippines a few months back and went to the south of the country to receive weapon training from ISIS.

* a prominent bagel shop in Bondi is closing down because the police have advised the owner that he was a target and there was nothing they could do to protect him or provide security . Well at least the jihadists didn't smash his windows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht)...... yet.

mhaze,

Your last reply to me, was refreshingly explicit. I don't think I've ever seen you so willingly forego any chance at the imply-the-deny approach.

It seems you have openly advocated suspicion, surveillance, and rights-restriction based on religious category rather than individual conduct, including extending that logic to future generations. That's not counter-terrorism, it's collective punishment.

At this point the disagreement is no longer about evidence gaps, sequencing, or policy trade-offs. It's about first principles.

Liberal democracies are built on the idea that:

- people are judged by actions, not ancestry or belief
- guilt is individual, not inherited
- rights are removed by due process, not pre-emptive classification

Once you abandon those principles, you don't "defend Western values". You suspend them in the hope that doing so will save them.

You say you are willing to sacrifice democratic freedoms to find radicals "where they exist". History is full of regimes that made exactly that argument, always insisting it was temporary, targeted, and necessary. It never remains so.

Regarding slogans and texts: citing rhetoric or scripture does not substitute for behavioural evidence. Texts do not commit violence. People do. Every major religion and ideology contains language that can be weaponised; pluralist societies function by policing conduct, not belief.

As for ASIO and Sunday's failure: intelligence failure does not validate collective punishment. It demonstrates the limits of intelligence, not the moral legitimacy of abandoning individual rights.

You are entitled to argue for an authoritarian model of security based on religious categorisation. But it should be named honestly for what it is, and its consequences accepted. It is not a fact-driven inevitability. It is a choice.