Hi mhaze

"Even now the PM, and his compliant ASIO advisors..."
- Yes, they'll probably come out and say they've received Israeli intelligence that this attack was sponsored by Iran.
(Until they prove their last claims I have doubts their intelligence can be trusted.)

Well, we have a likely Muslim attack on Jews and the only person who stepped in was a Muslim, this will break everyone's minds.

Israel and it's supporters are trying to blame the PM for lack of anti-Semitic crackdown.
I certainly have issues with this.

As for the victims, Jews and non-Jews alike I WOULD offer condolensces, as I take no sides with the innocent dead.

But the way pro Israel supporters have carried on already blaming anti-Semitism and those who critised Israels war (like me), I will only offer my condolences to non-Jews.

‘You’re a coward’: Ray Hadley calls for Albanese’s resignation over Bondi Beach terror attack
http://youtu.be/_zFO49GxXl8
Quite the performance there from Mr. Ray 'which Jewish d-ck do I gotta suck 'round here' Hadley.

You built this, brick by rhetorical intifada brick. So spare us your shock and save your prayers
[Paywalled article in the Australian]
I believe a copy of the article may be here
http://scottaaronson.blog/?p=9416#comment-2020876
'We saw this coming. We warned that anti-Jewish rhetoric, disguised as war criticism, would pave the way for violence. Now, as the Intifada you globalised arrives, spare us your feigned surprise and condolences.'
- As you wish.

They are also trying to link this to Palestinian marches and support for 2 state solution, and recognition of Palestine at the UN, and force Albo to say he guarantees Jews safety.
I have things to say about that.

It's been more than a day for respect of those who killed and injured.
I'm going to throw out a word that should get everyone in a frenzy.

'BLOWBACK' - the unintended adverse results of a political action or situation.

Armchair Critic,

Thanks for engaging substantively. This is a more productive direction, but a few distinctions still matter if the discussion is going to remain grounded rather than drift into assumption.

1. Operational failures
I don't disagree with your framing here. It's entirely possible to acknowledge that police ultimately stopped the attack and that, with hindsight, aspects of the response could be examined for improvement. That's precisely what inquiries are for, provided they're evidence-led rather than blame-driven.

2. Motive and "hypothesising"
This is where I'd urge more caution. Hypotheses are fine, but they need constraints. At the moment you've listed mutually incompatible claims circulating online, including some that are clearly implausible. That should itself be a signal that confidence is premature.

Hypothesising is most useful when it's bounded by known facts and probabilities. Otherwise it risks becoming a Rorschach test where people project prior beliefs onto an event before evidence arrives. Fine-tuning later doesn't fully undo the damage of early misattribution.

3. Islam, conflict, and inquiry
I agree that religions can and should be examined critically, including their texts and historical interpretations. That's already a long-standing academic field.

Where I'd draw a line is between:

- analysing doctrines and texts, and
- attributing present-day violence or incompatibility to entire religious populations living within liberal democracies.

Those are very different moves. The former is legitimate scrutiny. The latter risks collapsing descriptive critique into collective suspicion unless handled with extreme care and specificity.

4. Gun laws and inevitability
I don't think "a determined person would find another way" is sufficient to dismiss gun laws entirely. Policy isn't about eliminating all risk, it's about shaping probability, lethality, and opportunity.

A vehicle attack, a knife attack, and a firearm attack don't have identical dynamics, casualty profiles, or intervention windows. Acknowledging that doesn't mean guns are the sole factor, just that they remain part of the environment being assessed.

None of this precludes difficult conversations about extremism, ideology, or religion. It simply insists that those conversations be sequenced properly: evidence first, attribution second, policy last.

Otherwise we risk answering the wrong question very confidently.

These facts are known.

- The attackers targeted a Jewish community event celebrating Hannukah
- They had the flag of an Islamist terror organisation in their car.
- One of them has been investigated by ASIO for links to Islamic State

It is unbelievable than anyone could think this was not an antisemitic terrorist attack.

This government has been warned loudly and repeatedly of the growing prevalence and vehemence of antisemitism in Australia, and the likelihood that it would become more violent. We have also witnessed more frequent and more violent antisemitic attacks overseas. While it is not true to say that it has done nothing in response, its response has clearly not been strong enough or quick enough. It has sat on antisemitism envoy Jillian Segal’s report for months, implementing some of its recommendations but ignoring the hard and controversial ones.

Many of its actions have encouraged antisemitism. It has allowed demonstrations to proceed that celebrate the murder and rape of Jews, and lionise terrorists. Its move to recognise the non-existent state of Palestine legitimised the regimes that claim to govern it – one a group of islamo-fascist terrorists; the other corrupt, incompetent and deeply unpopular with its own citizens. Until recently it has done almost nothing to prevent antisemitism and intimidation of Jewish staff and students at universities and in arts organisations it funds. And in true Albanese style, its main action has been to commission another report.

It is the government’s job to keep its citizens safe. If has failed.

Lots of anger towards the government. Burke booed. He and Albanese would resign if they had any decency. But, there's no such thing as decency in politics, particularly from a PM whose best effort is to "stand by" Jews instead of protecting them. And Burke brought in 3,000 Gazans on tourist visas!

Australian Jews would be safer in Israel than they are in Australia, now a bloody awful country, filling up with undesirables.

At least Israel protects its citizens, something no Australian government has done since they started importing trash who despise and hate us, our way of life, our values and the democracy we used to have.

mhaze,

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. A principle of treating others as you would have them treat you is all that is needed. Saying that people are incapable of assimilating or have conflicting values is the foundation of hatred.

What angers me is the repeated failure of cult leader Albo and his minions to act against the hatred. There should be freedom to be who you are, but hatred should have no place.

The crowd chanting "F the Jews", "Gas the Jews" etc on the steps of the Sydney Opera House should have been dealt with harshly instead of meekly tolerated, as were the rolling marches that followed ad nauseam across Australia. By not acting, Albo endorsed the hatred.

I can not believe how many people still don't understand what Islam is so glaringly openly stating !
Islam's doctrine is to take over the World !! What is it the Woke don't get ? Are they even more stupid than we give them credit for ?