Hi John Daysh,

>>Again, no one is arguing "we don’t know everything, therefore we know nothing." That’s a strawman.

The position I’ve stated is much narrower: that knowing some things does not license asserting everything, especially when the assertions move from specific actors to entire populations and their descendants.

You are no longer talking about this attack, or even about radical Islamism in a defined sense. You are making claims about:

- what Muslims as a class believe
- what their children will become
- which citizens deserve fewer rights
- and which political party is allegedly protecting them as a voting bloc

Those are not inferences from "past experience". They are predictions of collective guilt.<<

I think you might have to entertain some uncomfortable truths here.

They're probably not inferences, rather outright statements.
They ARE based upon 'past experiences', therefore a 'basis of merit' exists, and THEY ARE predictions of collective guilt.

Why?

Because we see what's happened in the European countries through Islamic immigration already.
*Take specific note of the word 'COUNTRIES' - plural.
You may think the conflict created in these countries is acceptable, women and young girls frightened to walk alone for fear of being raped and it happens. People being attacked for taking photos in public places.
Unless you have some secret recipe how we can do things different, and break that proven trend, - a foolproof one that insures our women don't all eventually end up as ISIS brides...

If you wish to call it collective guilt, then fine.

"- what Muslims as a class believe
- what their children will become
- which citizens deserve fewer rights
- and which political party is allegedly protecting them as a voting bloc"

Wish to dig into all the nuances... fine.

Based of what we've already seen in other western countries
- And let me see I'm not attacking every individual
[Cont.]

[Cont.]
In regards to what we've seen in numerous other western countries
I say guilty until proven innocent, not innocent until proven guilty.

If we could round up the 1 million Aussie Muslims and sit them down and say 'we see the crap that goes on in other countries, and we don't want it. How do we trust YOU to act differently than you have in other countries? We can't'

Expecting a different result that what we've seen in other countries already is an irrational assumption,
As in 'do the same stupid thing over and over expecting a different result'

We'd be fool to expect a different result, we should expect the same result as other European countries - that's is the rational position, therefore call it collective guilt or whatever you want, but if you fail to recognise the feelings of your fellow countrymen, then you are putting foreigners ahead of Australians and endangering the country.

Also, lets all face another unfortunate truth.

People screaming for equality for foreigners and support for immigration including Muslims are inadvertently creating the conditions for a full AI surveillance state, because when people scream 'this is all the governments fault' the result will be increased surveillance of everyones calls, text messages, emails, bank accounts, friends and network (facebook) everywhere you go, (location data from google from your phone) and travel visas and flights in and out of the country;
They will just throw more money into collecting all this data, collating it in one place and analysing it with AI.

"But they were imported. And their kids have become radicalised and dangerous. If you want to just ignore facts because they're inconvenient to your views well you've got little of use to say."

I don't know if 'we imported' them or not.
Whether we put guns to their heads and forced them to come.
I certainly did no such thing.

But if so, who is behind every part of the immigration issue, why has the West imported all these Muslims, in all these countries, either wanting the same outcome as other countries, or foolishly thinking they could have a different outcome.

We imported 'them' isn't entirely the full story.
We imported 'them' who are they?

Muslims? Well not just any Muslims...
Muslims from countries who were displaced after the West's wars upon them, many of these wars were on behalf of Israel.

That's what makes this 'BLOWBACK'
Not an unfortunate tragic even without any cause or meaning.

Beyond that it the result of an individual with an extremist mentality.

For all we know Mossad may have had some hand in helping to radicalise these men, they did give support to ISIS fighters in Syria.

I'm watching TV and there a member of Chabad lecturing about 03 cops and other officials, like somehow they annexed a part of our country now, and everything has to be built around 'Anti-Semitism' and I'm the fecking enemy for not going along with their own murderous clownshow.

It just makes me more critical of them.

Jews use attacks upon them to scream for more obligation and loyalty.
Like tightening a noose around your neck.

The majority of voters still have to take the blame for our awful government.

The latest poll of the unaware/don't care has the after preferences vote at 54.5% Labor; 27.5% Coalition, and 17% One Nation.

Jews response to this atrocity
- "Please don't criticise our atrocities or support Palestinan animals or we'll have YOUR own leaders who are in our pocket arrest you, and we'll defame and vilify you publicy as the kind of NAZI that WE TRULY ARE.
All our accusation against others are actually designed to accuse others of things WE DO. We constantly fotce you to answer our made up charges so that you never confront us about ours -which we would ignore anyway!
Also accept our guilt trip that this was all your fault, we told you so, this was because you supported the 2 state solution and Palestinian soverignty,
We were quietly exterminating them just fine. Why did you have to go and rock the boat and throw a spanner into our genocide / ethnic cleansing / land theft plans?"

No you stupid Jews
You screamed racism, you screamed hate speech, you cut off our balls when it came to Nationalism, you supported the left !
Then you expect us to flip and support the right!
Act like Israel does, a hate filled racist apartheid state that knows nothing other than murderering or vilifying its detractors (even those amongst you) and provide you the security in our country you expect, when you chose to live in a secular country that has Muslim citizens, and it was your damn wars that brought the Muslims here!.

Also you exploit brainwashed Christians to blindly support your crimes against humanity reinforcing false Judeo-Christian values, like you're trying to turn Jesus into Vlad the Impaler or Pol Pot.

You turn us into a surveillance state, but that's just fine for you, that's what you want because your people run Palantir.

guilty until proven innocent, not innocent until proven guilty.
Armchair Critic,
Australia doesn't have the luxury of time for such ideological stuff ! No need for it anyway because the evidence is already as blatant as can be !
The question Australians need to ask themselves is; Should this Nation become Islamic or remain Western ? If they choose the latter then they'd better start on rectifying society ! Getting Labor, correction ALP, off the register is the very first step required to make Australia as it was planned by the founding fathers & the visionaries then.
If this is not agreeable try asking Islamic nations to change to Christianity !