Oh come on Graham!

In 2008, consumer electricity costs in Uruguay rose significantly due to a severe drought impacting hydropower and record-high oil prices, forcing the country to import fuel to meet demand.

Uruguay's energy transition under Galain had just started. Electricity demand has gone up substantially since then.

Somehow I don't think Uruguay is going to give up it's highest per capita income status in Latin America to regress back to wasting money on importing vast amounts of fossil fuels.

Who is this Green that you mention?

""Tell me again how cheap renewables are!."

When I made that comment I was referring to the 37% increase in electricity prices in Australia in the past twelve months. Not about Uruguay.

And in that same post I pointed out that ""Uruguay has some of the highest electricity prices in South America, largely due to its heavy reliance on renewable sources (98% of generation from renewables like hydro, wind, and solar in 2025), which involves significant infrastructure investments. Among South American countries, only Chile is more expensive."

So you made one point but managed to make two errors. Well done.

You're the Green, and you've just confirmed you were cherry picking - you knew the halving prices claim was bogus, but you pushed it anyway.

It was the actual lack of renewables that forced them to rely on oil at a time of the highest oil price ever, in real terms. http://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices/historical-crude-oil-prices-table/.

The increase in electricity prices didn't occur in 2008 for the consumer because they took their electricity on long term contracts, and that price was reflective of the normal state of affairs, and the state absorbed the increase. The state then recovered the costs over subsequent years at prices above their cost.

Even pretending none of that matters the prices still haven't halved: http://www.ceicdata.com/en/uruguay/environmental-environmental-policy-taxes-and-transfers-non-oecd-member-annual/uy-residential-electricity-price-usd-per-kwh

Oil prices are currently at historical averages, and the dams are apparently OK, so Uruguayans would be back to their cheap power atm without renewables. No wonder they are building more thermal power stations.

WTF?

Graham says: "You're the Green" - not long after talking about posters and misinformation.

The evidence offered for such a claim - "you've just confirmed you were cherry picking'.

So wrong on so many points - quoting an article from Forbes Magazine is hardly cherry picking. If you believe that the former energy minister has deliberately mislead the Forbes reporter then say so.

If you believe that the Forbes reporter has deliberately mislead the reading public then you should say so.

Labels thrown at other poster with scant evidence is just another form of misinformation.

What next - play the woke card?

Further more you acknowledge that "So renewables are cheaper at the point where they leave the generator..."

But then go on to say "..the energy ecosystem they exist in increases that cost substantially... and ..."the energy ecosystem they exist in increases that cost substantially."

When we look at the source you provide the Residential Electricity Price falls from US$0.34 in 2010 (around the time transition started) to US$0.22 on your sources latest update.

So the halving of costs of production coupled with a decrease in residential price (the Industry price has fallen as well) seems to be too ideological damaging to accept.

I repeated myself there.

I meant to say: But then go on to say "..the energy ecosystem they exist in increases that cost substantially... and ..more expensive than what they paid in the past.

Both of these claims are countered by the very source you provided.

WTF?

mhaze is still trying to claw back some credibility.

You wanted to know about cheap renewables - I told you about them.

Where do I start - if Uruguay has almost all of its energy needs met by renewable energy then the cost of electricity can only be "due to its heavy reliance on renewable sources" - did you just realise that?

What lesson can Australia learn (even though it was not the subject of the thread)?
Uruguay has halved the cost of electrical production while at the same time producing a decrease in residential price (the Industry price has fallen as well).

Still no errors.