For Indyvidual...

I think it's not Peronization but perhaps Peronism. Anyway here's the article that ttbn mentioned in the first post. Remember the song "Don't Cry For Me Argentina" as I understand it's about Eva Peron.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2025/08/dont-cry-for-me-australia-2/

Here's some background on Peronism for those that don't know or have forgotten due to the power of the leftist Trump Derangement Syndrome white noise coming through the main stream media...

Ironically relative sovereignty and economic self sufficiency are probably good things. Social justice at least in the way that they are implemented in the west not so good.

Javier Milei known as the "chain saw" against Peronism was famous before the recent US elections and was probably useful in bringing President Trump to his second term. One of Peronism's main problems has been it's evolution into an extremely bloated government. The youtube video of Milei cutting 10 or so ministerial portfolios will go down in history as a relief from the tyranny of leftist policies that starve the people in the name of freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYPNsTpO4Y
(Javier Milei illustrates which Ministries will be REMOVED for good when he assumes as PRESIDENT)

http://www.theblaze.com/news/javier-milei-eliminates-half-of-argentinas-government-ministries-on-first-day-as-president

Affoya!

The sad thing is that Peron probably was well intentioned but maybe a "Projects Department" that covered research into a range of issues in Argentina would have been a better way to go. Also Argentina apparently has a very multicultural diaspora which can be problematic for cohesion and for goal focus. Talcott Parsons AGIL system talks about the minimal requirements for a stable society- goal focus is one of them.

Canem Malum,

No amount of kudos will undo the bruising ttbn and mhaze have just taken, but I’m sure they’ll appreciate the gesture all the same.

Kudos.

JD writes: "You’ve spent the entire thread warning about elites consolidating power, capturing markets...".

Just as I never talked about "central planning" or "creeping Marxism" despite JD's assertion that I did, I've never talked about "capturing markets". Indeed, until this post I haven't mentioned "markets".

The problem is that when I say something that is both too logical for JD to attack and too well referenced for him to assail, he feels the need to attribute other assertions about what I've said and then to attack these made-up claims. I'd call it strawman construction, but its less ethical than that.

So I'll talk past JD, in order to again describe how I see the situation. In Australia we have an economy in decline with manufacturing effectively gutted and the service economy dominant. As we become a quarry for the world, we become dependent on outside factors entirely beyond our control. So, whenever a nation is in decline, competing interests in that nation seek to preserve not only their own relative position, but their absolute position.

This is what we are now seeing with Big Government, Big Business and Big Unions combining to shore up their position as against those outside the power circle. The laughingly called Productivity Summit is an example. We saw this week governments rush to save a failing smelter in SA at the behest of business and the unions. This is money taken from other Australians to save the bacon of a few. Expect to see much much more of that over the next decade up until the time when such frivolous spending can no longer be sustained.

mhaze,

You keep insisting I’ve misrepresented you, but never quote where. Curious, isn't it?.

Your “Big Government, Big Business and Big Unions” narrative is exactly the sort of authoritarian-drift claim ttbn called Peronism. If you now say that’s not what you meant, you’ve just gutted your own argument.

Your “power circle” talk is market capture by another name. If it’s not that, then what is it?

And your “evidence” - a summit, a smelter bailout - are bipartisan, decades-old practices. That’s not proof of new elite consolidation, just normal policymaking.

Once again, you end with predictions. Without proof of it happening now, you’re still in prophecy-land.

This is just another classic mhaze reframe-and-retreat.