You are in denial, so you won't hear from me again. I'll leave it to whomever else thinks you are worth wasting their time on.

ttbn,

That’s not me being in denial, that’s you walking away after dodging every fact laid out:

- Private enterprise still dominates our economy.
- Coalition governments did the same subsidies you call Marxist.
- Argentina collapsed from debt crises, not mild state intervention.
- Medicare, super, and the NBN proved “money will run out” cries wrong.
- mhaze’s 2035 prediction is a hedge, not evidence.

You’ve responded to none of this. Saying you “won’t waste time” is just a polite way of conceding without admitting it.

//…you won't hear from me again.//

I thought we’d already agreed to this long ago. You’re welcome to respond again if you change your mind - otherwise, I won’t expect responses to any of my future replies to you.

It will save us both a lot of time, at least.

Well JD, despite accusing me of "cries of creeping Marxism", I didn't use that term at all. Didn't even imply it although I'm sure you'll assert otherwise.

If anything, the corporatisation of the government, the alliance between big government, big business and big unions, is closer to classic Fascism than failed Marxism. But I didn't use that term either, because it's way too emotive and I'm way too level-headed.

It's mildly amusing the way that JD feels the need to leap to the defence of the ALP whenever there's the slightest critique. Even after I point out that the Libs have the same broad policies, he feels he has to say that the ALP is just as bad as the Libs.

Even more amusing is the demand that I prove something will happen in 2035. I'd like to, but I leant my time machine to my grandson last week and he's currently interviewing So-Crates. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvYRqsRZ7vE

As nations enter decline, especially economic decline, there is an inevitable battle among the various groups seeking to retain their absolute share of a shrinking pie. The next decade will be all about that battle.

The US is already addressing the transfer of wealth and power from the working and middle class to the elites over the past 30 years via the MAGA revolution. We are also starting to see leaders emerge in Britain and some European countries who are nibbling at the edges of these issues. Will we see someone emerge here? Nothing pops out as yet.

Trumpster,

How the Dill Brain Donald fixes massive unemployment in the US as hundreds of thousands are thrown out of work, because of HIS ratbag economic policies. SACK THE STATISTICIAN WHO PRODUCED THOSE AWFUL (BUT TRUE) FIGURES! That's how!

Actually it wasn't Erika McEntarfer who produced the awful economic data, it was people in the department. Donald wouldn't know that, as he's totally clueless. We know, you continue to idolise the American Fuhrer, you do love him so.

Well, mhaze...

Whether you call it creeping Marxism, corporatised fascism, or centralised power, it’s the same alarmist story: vague claims of authoritarian drift, no evidence it’s actually happening now, and a hedge that “by 2035 it’ll all be obvious.”

(You seem to be having trouble with the idea of an ‘implication’ - new concept for you?)

You can dress that up as level-headed all you like, but it’s still prophecy over proof. A time machine joke doesn’t change that.

As for reflexively defending Labor, I’ve already said the Coalition subsidised industries and ran similar summits. That undercuts both parties’ free-market purity. Pretending that’s me “leaping to Labor’s defence” is just a way to dodge the point: there’s nothing Marxist or fascist about Australia’s current mixed-market approach.

If you’ve got hard evidence of authoritarian central planning - something beyond future predictions and MAGA comparisons - let’s see it. Otherwise, this is just another vague forecast waiting for a decade to pass so it can’t be tested now.

Paul, for whom statistics are a foreign language.... Most recent US unemployment rate 4.1%; most recent Australian unemployment rate 4.2%. (Quick JD, leap to the defence to the ALP). Paul thinks the US has massive unemployment but will avert his eyes from the truth.

As to sacking the BLS statistical, they have, by their own admission got every number wrong for the past year.

"You seem to be having trouble with the idea of an ‘implication’ - new concept for you?)"

Not a new concept ....just the way use misuse and misunderstand it.

"but it’s still prophecy over proof."

There is no proof of a prophecy. Quite why that's a difficult concept for you to fathom is unfathomable to me.

"If you’ve got hard evidence of authoritarian central planning -"

Well since I never made that claim, although you might say it was implied, I don't see why I need to provide evidence. Especially to someone to relies entirely on assertion rather than evidence