"Your “power circle” talk is market capture by another name. If it’s not that, then what is it?"

They are not centrally planning. They aren't seeking to capture markets. They are seeking to ensure that whatever the shrinking markets dish up, they'll get the lion's share. That's what happens in declining nations.

"You keep insisting I’ve misrepresented you, but never quote where. Curious, isn't it?."

In my last post, I quoted from you three times to show that you made up claims about what I said. THREE TIMES. Just making up claims about making up claims is pretty grim. Are you incapable of seeing this or do you just think that ought lying is a substitute for the truth?

mhaze,

So we’re down to this: the “power circle” isn’t capturing markets, it’s just… ensuring they get the biggest slice of them. You can play with labels, but the substance is the same.

As for your “three quotes,” I’ve looked. None of them show me inventing claims you never made. They show me interpreting your own words in context, then asking you to clarify or back them up - something you’ve yet to do.

If you think one of those quotes actually demonstrates me making something up, then point to the exact words I “invented” that aren’t a fair reading of your position.

Otherwise, you’re just hoping repetition will make it true.

Try again.

"then point to the exact words I “invented” that aren’t a fair reading of your position."

"central planning" - I never said it. Never implied. Never thought it. Never supported it as an interpretation of the present or future. Apart from any thing else, these people aren't capable of something like planning!! You made it up.

"creeping Marxism" - I never mentioned Marxism. I never suggested they're Marxists. Specifically rejected it and said that, if anything, they're closer to Fascism. You made it up.

"capturing markets" - I never said. Never even talked about markets. This isn't about markets. The markets continue as per usual. They just protect their slice of the wealth. You made it up.

This is interesting...

http://escholarship.org/uc/item/6nx2b4rg

The purpose of this study is to examine what Marx, Nietzsche and Freud make of the idea of repetition, and how their concepts of repetition relate to what they perceive as problems of modernity, in a selection of their works. This thesis first looks at how teleology, a concept of time characteristic of the Enlightenment, faced competition from other temporal ideas like repetition during the nineteenth century, and the interrelationship between repetition, modernity's relentless aspiration towards newness, and memory as a means of mediating between past and present.

Well one of the things we'll be cutting when the chainsaw takes aim at Australia in it's De-Peronism is John Daysh, "Don't cry for me, Argentina".

mhaze,

None of those were presented as verbatim quotes. They were summaries of the implications in your “Big Government, Big Business, Big Unions” narrative.

When you warn about elites consolidating power and protecting their share of wealth, you are describing:

- Centralisation of control (central planning by another name),
- State–corporate collusion often framed as creeping Marxism or corporatist fascism, and
- Economic dominance (market capture, whether you use the phrase or not).

If you want to quibble over labels, fine. But you can’t seriously claim your meaning is unrelated. The behaviour you describe fits the terms you reject.

You’re not catching me in an “invention” - you’re just playing semantics because you can’t disprove the reading.

Off you trot...

He asks for quotes.

I give him three.

He says they don't count because he didn't really mean them to be quotes.

We are now at the part where JD realises he's been shown up AGAIN and just tries to bluff his way out of admitting by monotonous repetition of his lies.

Not playing.