One article I read was after the Arab invasion of Mesopotamia
the Arab rulers realised that they needed a method to control
the Arab tribes over the greatly increased area the way that
religions controlled their people.
So they invented Islam, but gave it capital punishment plus.
That all happened in the 7th century except some verses use
grammar that did not come into use till the 8th century in Baghdad

Dear Bezza,

«That all happened in the 7th century except some verses use
grammar that did not come into use till the 8th century in Baghdad»

And further evidence shows that Islam and the Quran could not have started before the 790's. Before that, the followers of Muhammad, p.b.u.h. were a Christian sect. The evidence includes coins from that time showing Muhammad on one side and a cross on the other.

Yuyutsu, interesting. I had read the Mohammad was a Christian
but I did not realise that Islam was established so late as
in the 8th century. I had assumed that his conquest of Arabia
in the 6th century was under the banner of Islam.
I knew that he was said to be a desert brigand which raided
caravans as they passed across Arabia.
Islamists say that the Mecca and Medina incidents were under
Islam but that was in the 6th century wasn't it ?
Some say it does not matter, but if it was founded on fiction
what else is nonsense ?

Hi Bezza,
"Armchair thinks I am clueless; hmmm
Tell me where I had it wrong."

You think this is a war against the west by Islam
But are too stupid to understand it's a war to control the M/E by Zionists and its been going on 30+ years

The fact Israel assassinated 200+ journalists in Gaza and blew up a TV station in Iran shuld tell any normal person it's all about selling you a narrative.
And if that's not enough, read the fecking policy paper ttbn 'just found'

ttbn
'Iran simply does not respond to diplomacy."
Iran agreed to us terms but trump was playing possum and went ahead with the attack anyway.
Trumps compromised.
Went to Little Saint James too.
Flew on the Lolita Express.
A victim of Epstein and Mossads compromise operations.

http://news.sky.com/story/iran-ready-to-make-nuclear-concessions-as-trump-asks-for-qatars-help-getting-a-deal-13368034

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqVZxx6NoU

Iran was willing to make concessions, it was all a ruse and Israel and the US killed Ali Shamkhani anyway.
Don't talk about no diplomacy ttbn.

You morons are completely clueless.

Wesley Clark - 7 wars in 5 years.
This entire charlie foxtrot was planned policy for decades
And you lot are as dumb as a box of rocks.

James Macpherson, Christian pastor and political commentator, points out that without knowledge of the religious aspects, it is “impossible to grasp the true nature of the Iran-Israel conflict if you do not understand religion”.

Iran's aggression is based on ‘wilayat al-faqih’ - clerical rule until the return of the Mhadi, the twelfth Imam.

The existence of Israel is one of the things preventing the return.

Foreign Minister Wongo Bongo's “dialogue” and “restraint” is not going to overcome that little problem for the Mullahs.

Israel is Islamic land (they wrongly think) and, therefore, a Jewish state is an offence.

The Mullahs never did history, so they don't know that Jews are the indigenous people.

Negotiation is impossible because the dispute, for the Mullahs, is not about borders or nukes, but about “prophecy, purity, and divine destiny”.

There is also religion from the Israel side. Messages are being swapped.

Benjamin Netanyahu has referred to Persian King Cyrus who saved the Jews in 539BC.

Netanyahu sees Israel as offering the same freedom to modern day Persians, by creating the conditions for them to rise up for themselves.

JM makes a comparison between Netanyahu and current Ayatollah: the former a modern day liberator, the latter “boasts of being a modern day killer and oppressor”.

Both their attitudes are based on religions that are far apart.