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"That's exactly what I said mhaze's point was irrelevant."

See. Now I can't tell if you don't see the relevance because its beyond you or refuse to acknowledge it because you don't want it to be true.

So again. Almost all of your claims here are based on unverified and unverifiable claims from bloggers and Youtubers who provide no evidence but mere assertion. But I've been able to show that those claims that can be assessed (such as the decoy planes or the 1000 Palestinian deaths claims) are obviously wrong. I've also shown that your main source is a Holocaust denier whose whole persona is based on unrelenting, but unproven, attacks on Jews or Israel or their allies.

That's the relevance of pointing out the Holocaust denial.

But it gets worse. Not only do you fall for these unverified and unverifiable assertions from clearly compromised activists, you then present these assertions as established fact and assail anyone who disputes that as being uninformed and Jewish shrills.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 9:41:16 AM
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Armchair Critic,

You’re trying to shift the blame onto mhaze for “changing the subject,” yet it was you who brought Holocaust denialism into the thread, unprovoked, by referencing David Cole and casting doubt on well-documented atrocities. That’s why I said, “that’s not how this works.”

Your strategy, it appears, is to bounce between:

- Minimising the Holocaust ("I question the extent of the claimed events"),
- Then saying you’re not denying it ("I wasn’t there so don’t know the full truth"),
- Then accusing others of using it to distract from Gaza.

Now you're asking who David Cole is?

That’s interesting, because the arguments you’ve been using (like referencing the Auschwitz swimming pool) are drawn directly from his playbook. He’s a well-known Holocaust revisionist, whose claims have been thoroughly debunked. If you weren’t aware of that connection, maybe reconsider who you’re echoing.

As for the “Dancing Israelis” clip? Yes, I’ve seen it. It’s been passed around in 9/11 truther circles for years, and the claims that have spawned from it don’t hold up. If that’s what you’re leaning on as proof, it says a lot about the quality of your sources.

The same goes for the Auschwitz swimming pool photo. You’ve clearly never asked why it was there (hint: not for mass recreation). That image gets passed around by deniers who want to imply Auschwitz was some kind of leisure camp, which is both false and grotesque.

Finally, if you’re invoking international law (an area I'm qualified in), start by citing actual legal sources rather than throwing around slogans and calling people “morons.” Armed struggle is not a blanket excuse for massacres, and cherry-picking laws to justify attacks while denying others’ atrocities is textbook propaganda.
Posted by John Daysh, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 10:00:38 AM
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Hi John Daysh,
"You’re trying to shift the blame onto mhaze for “changing the subject,” yet it was you who brought Holocaust denialism into the thread, unprovoked, by referencing David Cole and casting doubt on well-documented atrocities. That’s why I said, “that’s not how this works."
Mate, I wouldn't commented on the 'Holocaust' if he hadn't brought it up.
He brings up a topic attempting to use it to bring doubt upon a YouTube content creators material, I say what's that got to do with anything, and then I'm the one whose in the wrong.
That's backwards logic.

"He’s a well-known Holocaust revisionist, whose claims have been thoroughly debunked. If you weren’t aware of that connection, maybe reconsider who you’re echoing."
I don't know David Cole and I don't care to know David Cole.

"As for the 'Dancing Israelis' clip? Yes, I’ve seen it. It’s been passed around in 9/11 truther circles for years, and the claims that have spawned from it don’t hold up. If that’s what you’re leaning on as proof, it says a lot about the quality of your sources."
- So if the FBI stated it they're wrong too?

I never commented on the purpose of the pool.
I merely commented on it's existence, and I just threw it out there as it was something I read or heard years ago, then googled it, and yes a 'pool' existed.

"Finally, if you’re invoking international law (an area I'm qualified in), start by citing actual legal sources rather than throwing around slogans and calling people “morons.” Armed struggle is not a blanket excuse for massacres, and cherry-picking laws to justify attacks while denying others’ atrocities"

"Armed struggle is not a blanket excuse for massacres"
Tell that to the Israeli's then cite your own 'qualified and relevant international law' sources.
Palestinians have every right to kill as many enemy combatants as they want while under occupation
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 1:01:38 PM
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They have a right to fight their oppressors.
And whilst the Israel wished to keep Palestinians under occupation and the US has policies to overthrow sovereign countries, it's no wonder they say Death to Israel and Death to America.

Me personally, I'm just opposed to sanctions and overthrows.
And sick of Western countries being filled with foreigners as a result of Netanyahu / Neoconservatives wars for Israeli interests, pissed off Muslims filled with hate and looking for retribution after wars waged against them.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 1:07:00 PM
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Dear Critic,

«Why are you talking in riddles?»

Because I considered you intelligent enough to understand.

So here is the spoiler:

You told Mhaze: «I'm not denying that Jews suffered under Hitler, but I question the extent of the claimed events, but I wasn't there so don't know the full truth of it.»

Yes, quite fortunately none of us here today on OLO were there in Europe under Hitler.

Well, you have been telling us a lot about the extent of civilian sufferings in Gaza, including details, numbers and places, so assuming you keep to your own high standards of information accuracy, we must conclude that you were there to report it first hand, and given there has been no coming in or out of Gaza for quite a while, we may also further conclude that you are there now, right there in Gaza where it is all happening.

Please take care!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 1:29:52 PM
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How many journalists were killed in the Holocaust Yuyutsu,
Did they have mobile phones with cameras, and internet?
I don't need to be in Gaza to see the footage, it's on the nightly news.

227, looks like that's the new number.

At least 30 dead in Israeli strike on internet cafe in Gaza popular with journalists
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-01/israel-attacks-gaza-cafe-internet-killing-journalist/105480502

"An internet cafe in Gaza frequented by journalists was targeted by the Israeli military, killing at least 30 people including Palestinian photojournalist Ismail Abu Hatab.
At least 227 journalists have been killed in Gaza since October 7, 2023, according to the UN Human Rights Office, and it remains the deadliest place in the world to be a journalist.
The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) and Reporters without Borders both allege that Israel is directly targeting journalists in Gaza."

On and on it goes.
Endless death and destruction.

Move along mhaze, nothing to see here, right?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 1 July 2025 5:46:00 PM
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