Ex-politician and blogger George Christensen writes that there was nothing sudden about Israel's attack on Iran: it was planned 15 years ago. And it's not just by Israel. It was the “Deep State and the Military Industrial Complex”.

And everything is going as planned back in 2009.

Christensen blames the Brookings Institute, an organisation he describes as a “war-planning factory dressed up as a research centre”, which laid out how to get the US into a war with Iran without looking like the “bad guy”. It has the US encouraging and perhaps assisting Israel to make the strike, with retaliation from Iran and international criticism deflected away from the US.

Now, Trump has said that he didn’t want what happened, and preferred to talk to Iran, but “Someone didn't want peace. Someone wanted war”. Trump has urged Iran to deal and stop the conflict from escalating. Iran has accused America of being complicit in the attack. So much for the assumptions of the Brookings Institute.

Christensen says that the attack wasn't about Iran being a threat: it was about “keeping the war machine fed”.

(Based on the 170 page paper ‘Which path to Persia’, which I am happy that George read for me).

Irrespective of the whats and whys, and the killing of some unpleasant generals, it is always sickening to see what is happening, and knowing that ordinary civilians are being killed in any city, including Tehran.

I would not want to see the Iranian regime with nuclear weapons.

If what George Christensen has claimed is true, nuclear weapons are not the issue. I believe what George says; anyone who doesn't could read the 170 page.

The US, Russia, France, China, UK, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea all have nuclear weapons.

I would prefer that Russia, China, Pakistan and North Korea did not have them.

And those countries would undoubtedly prefer that the US, the UK France and India didn’t have them

It's nothing less than a battle for survival. It's either them or us !

It has been said for long enough and loud enough that the
Islamists Sunni and Shia both, that the long term aim has not
changed, ie to destroy the west or as they put it at the time
Destroy Rome !
You all saw if you take any notice of history, what happened
to the Eastern Christian Empire at Constantinople in 1453.
It led to the total Islamisation of the middle east and the
conversion of Spain to Islam.
That desire to reconquer Andalusia runs strong.
They almost took Vienna, except the Polish army arrived in the
nick of time.
The aim is to change Europe into Eurabia,
Not sure the Persians would like that but they would not
argue about that. The Iranians are not Arabs.
Their declared intention is to kill all Christians in Europe
after they have killed all the Jews in the world and there
is no Israel.
Then they expect to kill all non moslems in the United States.
They have said it loudly enough and what is more they mean it.
History says they have been remarkably successful so far.
Don't be as silly as Penny Wong and think Australia is exempt !
If you think this is far fetched, well they don't and they have
Allah's word for it.
Here endith the history lesson.

Lol ttbn
Now you want to read the fecken policy papers?
I've been telling you all about this stuff for years.
[Rolls eyes]

Now go look at Clean Break Policy paper
http://www.dougfeith.com/docs/Clean_Break.pdf

Now go look at Wesley Clarks 7 wars in 5 years
http://youtu.be/x17KVOiiGfI?si=ka2xoRjB07jxMgTV

Now go look at Wolfowitz Doctrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine

2022.05.16 Why The Wolfowitz Doctrine Inevitably Leads To World War
http://youtu.be/WA5ReEf3vtY

Iran proved months ago the Iron dome can be penetrated.
All they have to do is overwhelm the air defense with drones and decoys and the hypersonics go straight through, one hit Israels Defense HQ.

Even the Houty send a single hypersonic and it penetrated.
Our so called enemies know exactly how to overwhelf western air defense.
US weapons are outdated and useless.
3 F-35s have been shot down.
Iran has Israeli pilots in custody.

Israel wants to blow up the entire region to complete what was started decades ago.

Yes Iran can build a nuclear weapon in 2 weeks if it chooses but Khomeini issued a fatwa against doing so.
Even Tulsi Gabbard US National Director of Intelligence said they have no intelligence of Iran developing nuclear weapons.

The whole US congress is owned by the Israel lobby.
Trump has pro-Israeli political donors.

This Saddam Husseins WMD's all over again.

I want to see what happens when western forces try to invade.
I hope Iran blows the shite out of Israel.
Yay!

You're clueless Bezza, it's Netanyahus wars that filled the West with Islamic immigrants and our own leaders are complicit in doing it to us, because they are all Israels little b*tches as well.

The Beginning of WWIII? War Expands in Europe & Middle East /Lt Col Daniel Davis
http://www.youtube.com/live/7zvtN5FlFDg

US Using Israel to Provoke Iran War, Deny Responsibility, Minimize Retaliation
http://youtu.be/RBiTh7qYT3U

Iran Retaliates Against US-Israeli Missile Strikes
http://youtu.be/bPAFvlPf-UE

I thought that we were rid of the anti-Semite maniac Armchair Critic and his vicious ignorance. But no: he is back, worse than ever.

Sixty percent of the Iranian population are non-Muslim Persians. You would think that there would be some serious resistance to the mad mullahs. The same with Communist China where the population is 1.4 billion, but only just short of 100 million are actually members of the Communist party.

Why majorities allow themselves to be ruled by minorities I don't know. Countries like Iran and China have been a warning to Western people - like Australians - but they don't take heed.

Australia is now ruled by one of two parties getting a mere third of first preference votes. Think about it.

"Sixty percent of the Iranian population are non-Muslim Persians."

Struth!. 99.4% of Iranians are Muslim. Yes they are 60% Persian but all Persians are also Muslim.

"3 F-35s have been shot down.
Iran has Israeli pilots in custody."

Showing that he learned precisely nothing about the fog of war from his various monumental errors during the Gaza war and the war of Russian conquest, AC dives right in all over again. Iran claiming to have shot down 3 F-35s isn't the same as Iran shot down 3 F-35s.

Dear critic,

«Iran has Israeli pilots in custody.»

And the Pope is in custody too, Isn't it terrible, what has the world come to?
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n8gDIvN5hQ

«I hope Iran blows the shite out of Israel.
Yay!»

This may add to your pleasure - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obxZsnL08mM

ttbn,
Ignorant of what exactly?
You are the one who just found 'Which Path to Persia'
- Like it wasn't written 18 years ago.

You were the ignorant fool who ignored my posts when informed about it years ago, so go ahead blame me because you're stupid.

Yuyutsu,
Decoys to overwhelm Iron Dome.
Go waste all your interceptors while the hypersonics pass strait through.
btw I just saw the Iranian military is going to fire 2000 missiles at Israel in coming days.
That's what the hateful murderous country gets for killing all those women and kids for no reason.

Netanyahus wars over the last 30 years filled our countries with Muslims, 7 wars in 5 years, came straight down from the Pentagon after 9/11 another load of crap, explain building 7 and the dancing Israeli's.

MAGA is tearing itself apart from those who believed Trumps pre election lies, and those who hijacked MAGA for Israeli interests.
- Not that I'm paying much attention.
Too busy moving house.

Dear Critic,

«Decoys to overwhelm Iron Dome.
Go waste all your interceptors while the hypersonics pass strait through.»

Iron Dome is not designed for ballistic missiles - for that, Israel has the Arrow-2 and Arrow-3 systems, plus the American Thaad.

«btw I just saw the Iranian military is going to fire 2000 missiles at Israel in coming days.»

They may fire a few at a time, as their numbers and the number of launchers is decreasing rapidly.

Their original plan was to fire 1000 in one go, but due to Mossad destroying many launchers before the air-force arrived, they could only launch 100 in each of the initial waves, then last night it was down to 70 at a time.

«That's what the hateful murderous country gets for killing all those women and kids for no reason.»

Iran was planning to destroy Israel and kill every Israeli woman and child long before October 7th 2023, actually since the Iranian Islamic revolution itself, because Israel used to be the Shah's best friend, which the Ayatollahs will never forgive Israel for. Actually they just managed to kill a number of Israeli women and kids in the last couple of days, 4 of these women Arab!

Unlike the historical conflict between Israel and the Arab states, Iran isn't Arab and its enmity towards Israel is independent and unrelated to do the so-called "Palestinians" and their suffering, wrong as it may be.

«Netanyahus wars over the last 30 years filled our countries with Muslims»

If indeed so, then that's nice: Australian Muslims are good people, I have Muslim friends here and I find the local Muslim supermarket much nicer, cleaner, cheaper and the staff more polite than in other Australian supermarkets. Actually, while I rather shop peacefully and hear only my own thoughts while shopping, I prefer the Arab music there over the Western jarring noise in Coles and Woolworth.

«MAGA is tearing itself apart from those who believed Trumps pre election lies, and those who hijacked MAGA for Israeli interests.»

Preaching to the converted?
Netanyahu's interests are quite opposed to the Israeli interest.

It's ttbn that takes the cake, with mhaze not far behind.

ttbn carries on like a child about me posting links.
Too stupid to click on one and actually learn something.
And mhaze is almost just as stupid.

Tell me what was the last video I posted in my first set comments?
- This one.

Iran Retaliates Against US-Israeli Missile Strikes
http://youtu.be/bPAFvlPf-UE

What policy paper is covered in the video?
'Which Path to Persia'

Again and again and again, Brian covers it, mhaze won't listen because he detests the bloke, but Brian's been talking about this stuff for years.

And I have a dozen or more content creators that create just as worthy material, which none of you bother to ever look at.

You're all clueless because you're imbeciles.

If you all had've paid attention to the stuff I've been sharing FOR YEARS you might actually know something worth talking about.

It's plain wrong to make the claim that 99.4% of Iranians are Muslims.

The 0.6% would not survive.

Iran is a vicious theocracy. To deny Allah means death.

Forcing women to wear hijabs doesn't make them Muslims.

The threat of death, prison, torture makes people agree to being Muslims, if only publicly.

AC

What are you ignorant of, you ask.

Pretty much everything.

Show us where you “informed” me about the Brookings paper “years ago”.

How many years ago? You haven't been around that long. And do you really think that everyone reads all your mad posts every time you throw a tantrum. Most of your rubbish comes from Google.

There are some people on the grog or other drugs; others are on Google. Your rants are chock-a-block with the ravings on Google, and other nutjob sites riddling YouTube.

It seems the IAF have now achieved effective complete air superiority over Iran. They are bombing at will and taking out all of Iran's air defensive and air offensive weaponry. To be sure, plenty of their original arsenal remains intact but each day it is reduced and incapacitated. Each time a launcher is wheeled out to fire at Israel, it places itself in dire risk of destruction from the IAF.

Netanyahu has said he expects this to continue for two weeks. By that time there'll be little left of the Iranian armed forces. In the first moments of the offensive, up to 20 of Iran's most senior military and intelligence leaders were killed. As with Hamas and Hezbullah, Israel first decapitates the beast, then destroys it.

The Iran nuclear research capabilities are being systematically dismantled along with many of their senior researchers and nuclear departmental heads.

After the Hamas 7/10 invasion, Netanyahu declared that, by the end of the war, the Middle-East would look very different. Since then we've seen the virtual destruction of Hamas; the neutering of Hezbullah; the overthrow of the Assad regime with it being replaced by a government which, if not quite pro-Israel, is at least not hostile to Israel; the cowering of the Houthis; and now the effective disarming of the head of this anti-Israel axis in Iran. And in the midst of all that, we see Arab governments throughout the M-E lifting not a finger against Israel and in many cases openly or furtively helping Israel to remove their common enemy in Tehran.

The M-E has indeed changed a lot since 7/10. The questions now become whether the mullahs survive these string of disasters and whether the Saudis will step up to take their place as head of a more western friendly group of M-E nations.

Trump and MAGA have the stated aims of getting the US out of foreign entanglements. The US is closer today to being able to withdraw most of its forces from the region than it has been for decades.

Wacky Wong thinks that a ‘Operation Group Hug: Tehran to Tel Aviv’ is what's needed. Can this Australia-Embarrassing nitwit get any sillier?

The conflict is “unexpressed emotion” the wackjob says.

Even worse: “The planet is overheating, and so are our tempers”.

She cannot be real.

Armchair thinks I am clueless; hmmm
Tell me where I had it wrong.
Looking for clueless how about this;
The Shias are waiting for the twelfth imman who is in hiding.
He will not reappear until Israel is destroyed.
So that is why Iran must destroy Israel.
That anyone can base all their countries wealth and sanity
on such a belief is what insanity is all about.
That such madmen could control nuclear weapons is frightening.

If Israel can precipitate a regime change in Iran they will
truly deserve our thanks for all history

It's only a little over 12 months that Israel and Iran were at it in April 2024. This time it will probably be the same: nothing really gained, and the show will go on.

James Macpherson asks, “Has our nation had a more feckless foreign minister?”

Wong believes that a “strongly worded letter will bring Iran to heel.

Iran simply does not respond to diplomacy. Would they really listen to a lesbian? Does Wong not have a clue what Islam is about?

Iran is intent on destroying Israel. It already destroys people of Wong's sexual leaning. They are not tolerant of either.

The maniacs in Iran are guided by the Mhadi, whose return depends on what the mad mullahs are doing - or trying to do.

They were coming right for you werent they terror state of zion.

the bigot wrote
Would they really listen to a lesbian?

Whatever will they think of little timmy boy wilson?

Why mention Wilson? Iran would view male homosexuality in the same way they see female homosexuality - as an abomination worthy of death. There is no competition between Labor and Liberal individuals. I feel the same way, except for the death bit. Homosexuality is an abomination, and I will state that opinion no matter what some sad-sack calls me - mikk the prick.

Middle-Eastern and other warring patriarchal tribes (Iran included) abhor homosexuality because they want as many more males as possible to be born and join their side of the fight.

Homosexuality is one useful tool to curb overpopulation and it seems to be a natural and appropriate ecological response once the density of a species increases beyond a point.

Muslims abhor homosexuals because of their (Muslims's) religious beliefs. Homosexuals could be used fighting as well as normal males - and they are in some societies, including our own.

Strict Christians also abhor the behaviour of homosexuals. The not so strict pick and choose what suits them from the Bible, hence the renegades in the clergy who are homosexuals themselves.

My own dislike of the unnatural business that anyone is attracted to and/or has a physical relationship with someone of the same sex is not religious, just common sense. I know a handful of them: on first names with two; but the relationship is such that they do not need to know what I think of their behaviour, which has no effect on me personally.

I intend them no harm, but as far as Wong, a Senator in my state goes, I would never vote for her because, yes she is a lesbian, which reason is number one, but she is also a gormless idiot. Were I in whatever state or electorate the Liberal homosexual is, I wouldn't vote for him either.

There is a joke (I hope it's a joke) going around that Trump wound up the Israel-Iran conflict so that he could avoid meeting Albanese.

Trump met only G7 partners and left early to do what he swore to do - protect America.

The idea that he was dodging the political toddler Albanese aside, Trump does have more important things to do. Not hobnobbing with a pig-headed contrarian who probably defied his mother when she wanted him to eat his vegetables.

The other joke? Albo was disappointed that he couldn't tell Trump how was raised in social housing by a single mother.

When a “leader” has acted in such a way to bring that sort of derision onto himself, he really is in the wrong job.

It gets worse. Albanese didn't find out that there was no Trump chat for him until the media did. And he was delegated to a dinner that Trump wasn't at.

Albanese had a chat with Kevin Rudd and Greg Norman instead.

One commentator wonders if Wong’s sanctioning of Israel cabinet ministers had anything to do with Albanese's humiliation. “Very few things are unintentional when it comes to American diplomacy, and it appears Albanese was embarrassed deliberately”.

There have been some very “nassty” things said about Trump by Albanese, Rudd, and Turnbull at different times. And how about the garbage on Hamas coming from Labor, Wong in particular.

And, certain people should have taken Trump's ‘don't pay your bill and we won't defend you’. statement more seriously.

Persians, nominal Muslims (forced) or not, have been seen by Netanyahu as worth talking to for years in an attempt to transcend the Islamic Republic.

This current strike is part of his policy, as is his wish to avoid civilian casualties, and bring about an uprising caused by elite splits and popular rage. He is looking for Iranian nationalism that goes back a lot further than Islam.

Dear Ttbn,

«Muslims abhor homosexuals because of their (Muslims's) religious beliefs.»

There is nothing religious about their beliefs since Islam is not a true religion,
but suppose even that these beliefs are based on the Quran,
then why did the authors of the Quran (no, it was not Gabriel, hope you agree...) wrote against homosexuality?
Because they were tribalist fighters and needed more fighters to fill their ranks.
Even while a homosexual could also be a fighter, they still get old and without offspring with fighter-genes, no new fighters are born.

«My own dislike of the unnatural business...»

Your likes and dislikes are legitimate to have, especially when they give you no pain: they are your personal matter, yet homosexuality is not unnatural: it occurs in most mammals and in most adolescents at one stage or another. One theory considers its continuation into adulthood as a case of developmental arrest; while another study indicates an overall genetic advantage when a certain small percentage of a population remains homosexual, because that improves the care (thus survival rates) of nephews and nieces.

One article I read was after the Arab invasion of Mesopotamia
the Arab rulers realised that they needed a method to control
the Arab tribes over the greatly increased area the way that
religions controlled their people.
So they invented Islam, but gave it capital punishment plus.
That all happened in the 7th century except some verses use
grammar that did not come into use till the 8th century in Baghdad

Dear Bezza,

«That all happened in the 7th century except some verses use
grammar that did not come into use till the 8th century in Baghdad»

And further evidence shows that Islam and the Quran could not have started before the 790's. Before that, the followers of Muhammad, p.b.u.h. were a Christian sect. The evidence includes coins from that time showing Muhammad on one side and a cross on the other.

Yuyutsu, interesting. I had read the Mohammad was a Christian
but I did not realise that Islam was established so late as
in the 8th century. I had assumed that his conquest of Arabia
in the 6th century was under the banner of Islam.
I knew that he was said to be a desert brigand which raided
caravans as they passed across Arabia.
Islamists say that the Mecca and Medina incidents were under
Islam but that was in the 6th century wasn't it ?
Some say it does not matter, but if it was founded on fiction
what else is nonsense ?

Hi Bezza,
"Armchair thinks I am clueless; hmmm
Tell me where I had it wrong."

You think this is a war against the west by Islam
But are too stupid to understand it's a war to control the M/E by Zionists and its been going on 30+ years

The fact Israel assassinated 200+ journalists in Gaza and blew up a TV station in Iran shuld tell any normal person it's all about selling you a narrative.
And if that's not enough, read the fecking policy paper ttbn 'just found'

ttbn
'Iran simply does not respond to diplomacy."
Iran agreed to us terms but trump was playing possum and went ahead with the attack anyway.
Trumps compromised.
Went to Little Saint James too.
Flew on the Lolita Express.
A victim of Epstein and Mossads compromise operations.

http://news.sky.com/story/iran-ready-to-make-nuclear-concessions-as-trump-asks-for-qatars-help-getting-a-deal-13368034

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqVZxx6NoU

Iran was willing to make concessions, it was all a ruse and Israel and the US killed Ali Shamkhani anyway.
Don't talk about no diplomacy ttbn.

You morons are completely clueless.

Wesley Clark - 7 wars in 5 years.
This entire charlie foxtrot was planned policy for decades
And you lot are as dumb as a box of rocks.

James Macpherson, Christian pastor and political commentator, points out that without knowledge of the religious aspects, it is “impossible to grasp the true nature of the Iran-Israel conflict if you do not understand religion”.

Iran's aggression is based on ‘wilayat al-faqih’ - clerical rule until the return of the Mhadi, the twelfth Imam.

The existence of Israel is one of the things preventing the return.

Foreign Minister Wongo Bongo's “dialogue” and “restraint” is not going to overcome that little problem for the Mullahs.

Israel is Islamic land (they wrongly think) and, therefore, a Jewish state is an offence.

The Mullahs never did history, so they don't know that Jews are the indigenous people.

Negotiation is impossible because the dispute, for the Mullahs, is not about borders or nukes, but about “prophecy, purity, and divine destiny”.

There is also religion from the Israel side. Messages are being swapped.

Benjamin Netanyahu has referred to Persian King Cyrus who saved the Jews in 539BC.

Netanyahu sees Israel as offering the same freedom to modern day Persians, by creating the conditions for them to rise up for themselves.

JM makes a comparison between Netanyahu and current Ayatollah: the former a modern day liberator, the latter “boasts of being a modern day killer and oppressor”.

Both their attitudes are based on religions that are far apart.

ASPI'S Peter Jennings provides 5 reasons why the US might join the strike on Iran:

. Trump's sudden rush from the G7 to take advice
. Secretary of State Rubio is calling the UK and France
. US defence is saying that they are not changing their “defensive” position (wink, wink)
. The aircraft carrier Nimitz is headed for the Middle East
. Two dozen air to air fuel tankers have been deployed

By this weekend, the US will have a major strike capability in place.

Trump has said that he is losing patience, and that Iran ‘can not’ have a nuclear weapon.

In the meantime, our own leader is continuing a slow “accident” overseas reinforcing his “Airbus Albo” reputation, and looking like a “complete goose” after his rejection by Trump. (Anon).

James Macpherson, Christian pastor...
Does he have and real credentials, or just sees the world through jewish coloured glasses?
religious bias not knowledge.
Might as well just ask some homeless drug addict on meth for their opinion.

"Might as well just ask some homeless drug addict on meth for their opinion."

That's probably smarter than asking Brian Berletic aka Tony Cartalucci, a name that he had to retire because it accumulated so many errors.

ASPI'S Peter Jennings provides 5 reasons why the US might join the strike on Iran:

Maybe you should just read the damn policy paper you shared with all of us yourself?

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf

An Offer Iran Shouldn't Refuse
Persuasion

For those who favor regime change or a
military attack on iran (either by the United
states or israel), there is a strong argument
to be made for trying this option first. incit-
ing regime change in iran would be greatly
assisted by convincing the iranian people
that their government is so ideologically
blinkered that it refuses to do what is best
for the people and instead clings to a policy
that could only bring ruin on the country.
The ideal scenario in this case would be
that the United states and the international
community present a package of positive
inducements so enticing that the iranian
citizenry would support the deal, only to
have the regime reject it. in a similar vein,
any military operation against iran will like-
ly be very unpopular around the world and
require the proper international context—
both to ensure the logistical support the op-
eration would require and to minimize the
blowback from it. The best way to minimize
international opprobrium and maximize
support (however, grudging or covert) is
to strike only when there is a widespread
conviction that the iranians were given but
then rejected a superb offer—one so good
that only a regime determined to acquire
nuclear weapons and acquire them for the
wrong reasons would turn it down.

Chapter 5

Leave it to BiBi
Allowing or Encouraging an Israeli Military Strike

As in the case of American airstrikes against Iran,
the goal of this policy option would be to destroy
key Iranian nuclear facilities in the hope that doing
so would significantly delay Iran’s acquisition
of an indigenous nuclear weapons capability.
however, in this case, an added element could
be that the United states would encourage—and
perhaps even assist—the Israelis in conducting
the strikes themselves, in the expectation that
both international criticism and Iranian retali-
ation would be deflected away from the United
states and onto Israel. The logic behind this approach
is that allowing Israel to mount the air-
strikes, rather than the United states, provides a
way out of the dilemma described in the previous chapter,
whereby American airstrikes against
Iran could become self-defeating because they
would undermine every other American initiative
in the Middle east, an outcome exactly the
opposite of what a new Iran policy is meant to
accomplish.

karma

http://x.com/A_M_R_M1/status/1935473190421037366
http://x.com/di313_1/status/1935513231033831535

ttbn

"Iran simply does not respond to diplomacy. Would they really listen to a lesbian? Does Wong not have a clue what Islam is about?"

Diplomacy. Do you even know what that is ttbn?

Official says Iran would forego highly enriched uranium for deal, NBC reports
http://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/official-says-iran-would-forego-highly-enriched-uranium-deal-nbc-reports-2025-05-14/
May 14 (Reuters) - Iran is willing to agree to a deal with the U.S in exchange for the lifting of economic sanctions, an Iranian official told NBC News in an interview published on Wednesday.
Ali Shamkhani, an adviser to Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said Iran would commit to never making nuclear weapons, getting rid of its stockpiles of highly-enriched uranium, agree to only enrich uranium to the lower levels needed for civilian use, and allow international inspectors to supervise the process, NBC reported.

'Netanyahu Is Sabotaging Diplomacy': Israeli Attack Kills Top Iranian Nuclear Negotiator
http://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-kills-ali-shamkhani
"This action ordered by Prime Minister Netanyahu appears to deliberately undermine ongoing American diplomatic negotiations about Iran's nuclear program," said one Democratic senator.

>>Israel's large-scale military attack on Iran early Friday targeted and killed an official who was leading a committee on nuclear talks with the United States, a decision that observers and Iranian officials said was clearly designed to undercut progress toward a diplomatic agreement.

Ali Shamkhani, whose home was among those attacked by Israel on Friday, was a top aide to Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and had expressed optimism in recent weeks about the prospect of improved relations with the U.S. as President Donald Trump signaled he was open to a deal.

"If the Americans act as they say, for sure we can have better relations," Shamkhani toldNBC News last month. "It can lead to a better situation in the near future."<<

[Cont]
Iran was willing to make a deal.
Israel demanded zero enrichment, Iran said no.
They have a right to do so under international law for peaceful energy production.
And who the hell is Trump to demand anything when it was he who pulled out of the JCPOA

Trump pretended to do a deal, lulling the Iranians into a false sense of security, all the while knowing an attack was imminent.
So what did Israel and US do?

Fired a missile into Iran to assassinate the Head Iranian Nuclear negotiator and his family, who had signaled a willingness to do a deal.

You people are dumb, because your sources are shite.

The JCPOA, or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, is a 2015 international agreement aimed at restricting Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. It was negotiated by Iran and the P5+1 (China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States). The deal placed limitations on Iran's nuclear activities, including uranium enrichment, and allowed for international inspections of its nuclear facilities.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Purpose:
The primary goal of the JCPOA was to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons.

Key Provisions:
Iran agreed to significantly reduce its stockpile of enriched uranium.
Iran's uranium enrichment capacity was reduced, including dismantling some centrifuges and limiting the type and number of centrifuges used.
The JCPOA included provisions for enhanced international monitoring and inspections of Iran's nuclear facilities by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Sanctions Relief:
In return for these commitments, the agreement lifted a number of international sanctions that had been imposed on Iran.
Withdrawal and Current Status:

The United States, under the Trump administration, withdrew from the JCPOA in 2018 and reimposed sanctions on Iran.
Iran has subsequently taken steps to reduce its compliance with the agreement.
The JCPOA currently faces significant challenges, with ongoing discussions and negotiations regarding its future

How could anybody put up for Iran with all it,s proxy fighters. Now under martial law, the Iatola in hiding. Iran is stuffed. Their people did not stand up for themselves, and now suffer the consequences. The world will be a better place, Hopefully. Let us see the Iotola handed over to it,s citizens for justification.

The US pulled out of JCPOA because it was a monumental failure. It was a means to allow Iran to avoid sanctions while at the same time surreptitiously continuing to develop its infrastructure toward obtaining nukes. It was yet another of Obama's pie in the sky deals. Iran had and has no intention of abiding by any deal that will stop them pursuing a nuke or the ballistic rockets on which to place it. Its the height of naivety to think otherwise.

Dear Ttbn,

«The Mullahs never did history, so they don't know that Jews are the indigenous people.»

This statement is dangerous because it could be possibly understood as if anyone who is not indigenous deserves to be bombed and nuked until driven to exile out of their homes.

I hope that this is not what you meant.

And actually, the so-called "Palestinians" are no less indigenous than the so-called "Jews": many of the former descend from the original Judeans and their ancestors never left the country (even while they converted into Islam at some stage); while many of the latter are of European/Caucasian descent who converted to Judaism and whose ancestors have never been in Israel.

None of that should matter anyway. People should be able to remain safely in their own homes, regardless of ancestry.

The whole discussion is hopeless.
The ultimate point is if Iran gets a nuke it will use it.
Israel will be the target. The US is next in line.
As Iran has clearly said first the small one and then
the biggest one. They even gave a date 2027.
In that situation the US would have to act and nuke Iran.
Who knows they might be close to 2 or more bombs.
They could smuggle one in a shipping container into the US.

If they were serious about that they'd have nuked Israel already

Trump’s attention to the Iran-Israel conflict is being used as the reason why Albanese still hasn't met with the US President in his second term of mucking up Australia, but here is no reason for Donald Trump to meet Albanese, who has gone out of his way to insult him and diminish our alliance with the US. Our ambassador to the US has been insulting Trump for years.

How moronic, when Australia is defenceless on its own, lacking long range strike power, air defence, and rapid deployment capability; severe delays in shipbuilding and maintenance; lacks missiles and drones. Not to mention serious military personnel problems, with too many generals.

Albanese refused to take part in the Houthi problem. Didn't have a ship to monitor the Communist Chinese live firing aggression around Australia. Nobody, let alone the leader of the free world, would want to meet such a dud.

Albanese isn't man enough to criticise the Communist Chinese dictatorship when it insults and shows aggression towards the country he is supposed to be leading. He's not only an embarrassment, he is a danger.

As the lead article in this week's Spectator has it, “Australia’s security is being compromised by Albanese’s naivety, negligence, ideology, and hubris. Until he changes course, Australia will be in danger”.

Dear Critic,

«If they were serious about that they'd have nuked Israel already»

So sorry to hear about your frustration: those lazy unproductive Iranians, perhaps you should sack them!

One question does intrigue me:

Who will be your favourite, next in line to be nuked, once your thrill over killing my family wears off and you become bored again?

Yuyutsu

I doubt that AC would be aware of your personal connection to Isreal. He is best ignored for being the unpleasant person he is. He is also too thick to be aware that Iran has yet to acquire a nuclear weapon, so that they couldn't have "done it already" if they intended to, as the dumbo has posted.

I hope that your family is safe. I also hope that oppressed Persians can be safe.

Thank you Ttbn,

So far my family is fine and the worst that happened to them was the family-cat startled from the noise of an explosion, the lack of sleep at night, having no kindergarten, not going out anywhere and of course the increased taxes to finance this war.
Nobody is safe in Israel, but for now they are as safe as one can be.

AC should be quite aware of my family there as we discussed them not once or twice.

And yes, I do also pray for the oppressed Persians.

The Israeli ambassador in Australia has acknowledged the shift in the Albanese government's attitude to Israel. The ties with Israel have “frayed”.

With reference to Wong's babble about ‘diplomacy’, Amir Maimon said that words can't stop warheads.

Failed energy minister, Bowen, has also started yapping about one more thing that he knows nothing about.

‘Naive’ is the kindest word I can think of to describe these two characters. That Wong was given the Foreign Affairs portfolio is beyond words.

There is no prospect of ‘dialogue’ according to Senator Dave Sharmer, who was a professional diplomat. ‘Multiple rounds of negotiations with Iran’ have all failed.

The Albanese government’s sanctions of two Israel ministers has gone down a treat with Israel.

Remember the Albanese government’s silence when the Iran ambassador to Australia vomited hate speech about Israel?

And the Albanese government’s anti-Israel voting in the United Nations is embarrassing to all fair minded Australians.

Yuyutsu,
"Who will be your favourite, next in line to be nuked, once your thrill over killing my family wears off and you become bored again?"

Not everything is about your family, but maybe for you it is and that's not unreasonable.
You said you didn't care of millions of Palestinians had to die so your family could be saved.
You didn't give a crap when entire families of innocent people were being slaughtered at the hands of the Israeli government.
If that's your attitude then don't complain when someone else decides to retaliate against Israel for its own reckless behaviour against others.
But as always, this is a US engineered crisis.

ttbn
"I doubt that AC would be aware of your personal connection to Israel."
- Of course I bloody well know Yuyutsu has family there.

"He is best ignored for being the unpleasant person he is."
- No I just say things that you find unpleasant.
"He is also too thick to be aware that Iran has yet to acquire a nuclear weapon, so that they couldn't have 'done it already' if they intended to, as the dumbo has posted."
- You're the one who is too thick to understand that that the Ayatollah has issued a fatwa against it, but they're not stupid either.
They know the west has plans on attacking them so they've put themselves into a position where all they really need to do is assemble it, if the need arises.

Iran has the weapons grade Uranium to build nuclear weapons.
They have the delivery systems too.
They even have Oreshnik type hypersonic weapons that Russia has, and we might see them soon.
We're seeing less missiles, but greater damage.
Israel is desperately trying to hide the damage inflicted upon them, Ben G'vir has issued laws against foreign journalists reporting the damage.

Yuyutsu,
Israel is a pathetic little bitch state.
It leveled numerous hospitals in Gaza, even murdered surgeons in surgery.
Now it cries when one of it's own hospitals was targeted, after it has done the exact same thing in Iran as well as Gaza, screaming about war crimes done unto it.

Israel strikes 3rd hospital in Tehran: Iranian Health Ministry
http://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-strikes-3rd-hospital-in-tehran-iranian-health-ministry/3605644

But we only hear one side of the news on out tvs, or unless you have alternative media to keep you informed.

"Israel Has Walked Off a Cliff" - John Mearsheimer, Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen
http://youtu.be/dalbnR8vNvs

The other side of Israel-Iran War Media "Reporting" ONE sided Empathy to get you support for CR*MES
http://youtu.be/YBF_ym_ETMs

Hi Yuyutsu,
"And yes, I do also pray for the oppressed Persians."
The opposite has happened, after Trumps demand for 'Unconditional Surrender' and 'Regime Change' the Iranians have rallied behind their government, and will fight to the death.

You dumb fools all realise I get all my info from western political and military experts right?
Israel is getting pummeled and its GREAT to watch.
It's leaders are preventing people from leaving and issuing orders against press reporting the damage.
I hope they get bombed into the stone-age, just as they've been doing to the Palestinians forever.

The terrorist state of Israel is the biggest threat to the world today and is finally getting a taste of it's on medicine.

Time to pull out the deck chairs, have a BBQ and nibblies and watch the footage on the big screen cheering just as the Israelis themselves did when Gaza was getting flattened.

Reap what you've sown a*seholes

Lt Col Daniel Davis: Iran-Israel War - DON'T ENTER into IT
http://youtu.be/ksStl8ytXzk

And Yuyutsu,

You say I want your family dead?
I advised you 18 months back to send your family on an extended holiday to Cyprus, not my fault you didn't listen and your family was too busy feeding the murderous IDF while Israel was bombing and starving the Palestinians, so please don't accuse me of wishing harm to your family.

If you'd listened they wouldn't be in harms way right now.
I told you numerous times I hoped they were alright.
- But now I don't really care.

You said you didn't care how many Palestinians had to die, didn't you?

How many Palestinians were killed by IDF trying to get food for their kids at aid distribution points?
Israel is a sick nation full of hate, and I told you that too.

Their lives don't matter?
If they don't then nor do your people.

So far, Albanese's re-election has made Australia more internationally irrelevant than it was at the end of his first go at government.

While other leaders have actually come face to face with Donald Trump, Albanese has had three “constructive” (according to Minister Wongo) phone calls with him.

So constructive that we have no tariff exemptions, and AUKUS is looking wobbly.

Albanese is still out there, awkwardly circling summits and global meetings hoping to make eye contact with Donald Trump.

Or, is he just circling round everywhere but here, avoiding coming home to embarrassing questions, glad to have avoided the man who ‘frightens the sh.t out of him’: the “village idiot” as Trump is called by Albanese's great mate Kevin Rudd.

Albanese Australia is now being described as “global spectator, squinting from the bleachers while the real players get down to business”.

When it comes to international affairs that threaten us, our allies, and the West in general, Australia just turns up for the tea and biscuits.

Sad to say, Australia is a laughing stock, out of touch with the rest of the Western world.

While Albanese does what he likes best - being out of the country - the laughs are on Penny Wongo, with her ridiculous calls for ‘dialogue’ and ‘constraint in the Middle East.

Question: How many hospitals did Israel destroy in Gaza?
Answer: 36, and they attacked them 130+ times

The Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba, wasn't even directly hit but received blast wave damage when an Iranian missile hit a military target adjacent to the hospital.

Albanese wasn't even invited to the joint press conference on AUKUS with Trump and Starmer, prompting one commentator to quip that AUKUS might become UKUS. Australia wasn't even mentioned.

The same commentator suggested that Trump was not going to tolerate Australia kowtowing to China and backsliding on its defence budget.

It is now hard to believe that we used to be one of America's closest allies, before Albanese.

Albanese is being seen as pulling away from the US alliance. In relation to the Middle East and Communist China this belief might turn out to be a sickening fact.

Given the return of the Albanese government, and the pathetic effort of the Liberal Party, perhaps a split with the US is what Australian voters want. The ‘equivalence’ view of Israel - another ally being dumped - with the theocratic dictatorship Iran seems to point that way.

We are already starting to look like a tributary state of Communist China under ‘handsome boy’, Xi's little mate, who accepts China’s aggressive behaviour and enriches it while dragging Australia down, economically and culturally.

Dear Critic,

«Not everything is about your family, but maybe for you it is and that's not unreasonable.»

It is most reasonable and so for you.

«You said you didn't care of millions of Palestinians had to die so your family could be saved.»

Correct, and so would you.

«You didn't give a crap when entire families of innocent people were being slaughtered at the hands of the Israeli government.»

Incorrect.

Of course I PRIORITISE my family, but that does not mean that I do not care about others.

At the beginning of the war, up until around the first cease-fire (November 24th, 2023), what Israel did was necessary for saving my family.

After that, Israel went beyond what was necessary to save my own and other families that were in the same predicament.

I disapprove of killing or hurting even one innocent person beyond what is absolutely necessary for saving my family.

The line is blurred. Nobody can tell EXACTLY when killing innocents was still necessary and when it was no longer, but by now it has been crossed big time and I condemn that.

«If that's your attitude then don't complain when someone else decides to retaliate against Israel for its own reckless behaviour against others.»

Those who retaliate are fools, they dig their own graves, all they needed was to stop launching rockets at Israel (which were intercepted anyway, or fell within Gaza) and then they would still have a life. SADLY they didn't and SADLY they don't.

But have I complained?

They made their choice to die, OK, but my family still wants to live, so why should you be complaining?

«Israel is a pathetic little bitch state.»

States are a stupid and evil creation, pathetic them all and I wish there were none, but it is immensely tragic that nothing else presently stands in the way of certain murder of my family other than this pathetic state of Israel.

«But as always, this is a US engineered crisis.»

I don't know or care about them, nor can my family do anything about it.

[continued...]

[...continued]

«I advised you 18 months back to send your family on an extended holiday to Cyprus»

And I advised you that it is completely impractical and that they won't listen to me anyway.

«and your family was too busy feeding the murderous IDF while Israel was bombing and starving the Palestinians»

They were feeding the IDF while it saved their lives and stopped it no long after.
Still, what's wrong about conscripts at least having decent meals, who never had a say about being sent to Gaza?

«If you'd listened they wouldn't be in harms way right now.»

If THEY listened then they would be harmed already:
Why losing your home, your friends and everything you worked for and wondering instead with nothing as refugees in exile, including small children and the elderly - is that not a harm?

«How many Palestinians were killed by IDF trying to get food for their kids at aid distribution points?»

What has my family to do with it?

«Israel is a sick nation full of hate, and I told you that too.»

The concept of "nation" is sick!

«Their lives don't matter?»

They do. But for me, the lives of my family matters MORE, and surely also for you.

"At the beginning of the war, up until around the first cease-fire (November 24th, 2023), what Israel did was necessary for saving my family."
- What Israel did was allow the war to happen, if not make it happen.

"I disapprove of killing or hurting even one innocent person beyond what is absolutely necessary for saving my family."
- Maybe your family should've just left and saved themselves.

"The line is blurred. Nobody can tell EXACTLY when killing innocents was still necessary and when it was no longer, but by now it has been crossed big time and I condemn that."
- It's good you have retained some humanity.

"Why losing your home, your friends and everything you worked for and wondering instead with nothing as refugees in exile, including small children and the elderly - is that not a harm?"
- Tell that to the Palestinians whose entire existence is this.

"They do. But for me, the lives of my family matters MORE, and surely also for you."
- Yes that's fair.

Here's some sensible commentary

IRAN'S MISSILES PULVERIZE ISRAEL - TRUMP PREPARES FOR POLITICAL SUICIDE - ISRAELIS FLEE THE RUBBLE
http://www.youtube.com/live/2I4S2TbNL9M

"Albanese is being seen as pulling away from the US alliance. In relation to the Middle East and Communist China this belief might turn out to be a sickening fact."
- Better that than being on the Titanic ttbn

US couldn't even deal with the Houty without running away with their tails between their legs 3 weeks later.
Russia has been fighting Ukraine for 3 years.
Iran is bigger than Ukraine.

The west will run out of weapons or resort to nukes before they will win anything, certainly incapable of fighting Iran or even worse China.

Iran have to be looking at North Korea and saying, we have to get nukes now, the U.S and the West cannot be trusted.

The US has hit 3 Iranian nuclear sites.

Hi AC,

You support the Russian invasion of Ukraine on the basis that Ukraine is using its military capability to harm Russia and ethnic Russians, and so Russia is justified in demilitarising Ukraine. But is that any different from Israel's justification for attacking Iran? Would the Palestinians be so well armed were it not for the military assistance from Iran?

On the Ukrainian war, when do you think that infantry will be provisioned with anti-drone munitions like drone effective shotgun shells or proximity fragmenting shells? I'd imagine that there would be lots of research taking place and that Nato and American armour will have anti-drone systems soon if they don't have them currently.

US now at war with Iran
This will be the end of America.

Trump starts WAR with Iran. US attacks Iran. Trump isn't our President. US joins Israel. US is Owned
http://youtu.be/B5Y4DYRUsNs

REVOLUTION! - ZIO-PUPPET TRUMP BOMBS IRAN - US READY TO EXPLODE!
http://www.youtube.com/live/7AcFyY1oNhY

US now at war with Iran
This will be the end of America.
Armchair Critic,
Well, being proactive isn't always easy but it is the only way to deal with a problem ! As for being the end of America well, looks like they're finally picking themselves up again. Iran has been making some rather serious promises & this is the first serious reply.

Hi AC,

Trump's decision to bomb Iranian uranium enrichment facilities contrasts with his tolerance of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Do you think that the contrast may be in part because Russia's nuclear capability is not for sale to terrorist states like Iran?

Note that most nuclear reactors used 5% enrichment, Gates' Natrium reactor will use about 20% enrichment, and subs use about 30% enrichment. The Iranians were enriching to about 60% U235. Does that strike you as peaceful intent?

Hi Fester,
Well, they can't win in Ukraine, all they can do is enough to slow down the inevitable, and to be honest with you I don't think the war in Ukraine will end until Russian troops march into Kiev.

In the meantime, attacking Russia's allies has the potential to overstretch Russia, if they have to provide air defense and other capabilities. Iran is also an important BRICS partner, and so it's attacking the challenge to the US dollars hegemony, also Iran provides oil to China, so it's also an attempt to slow down China's rise to become a leading world power.

I'm not sure if the nuclear issue is legitimate, or just a ruse to go about a regime change in Iran which could be their goal, and has been a policy of the US / Israel for 30+ years.
- Dreams of the neoconservatives / Zionists.

Regards 60% enrichment, google 'Non proliferation treaty 60% limit'
It may be that 60% does not specifically break the Nuclear NPT, and so is a breach of international law and an attack on a sovereign state.

Trump did not launch these strikes without asking what will happen,
i.e how will Iran respond, I'm not sure how much naval assets are in Bahrain, but no doubt Iran will attack US military bases in the region, even after Trump has issued demands.
(The Iranian 'regime' has to respond)
Trump who hates being challenged and has surrounded himself with Zionist bootlickers will thump his chest, and at this point even the MAGA crowd who are not Pro-Israel and are against this war (MAGA is split right now) will go along with strikes on Tehran when Americans come home in coffins, and we will end up with a full blown regional war.

And this has always been a policy objective by neoconservatives / Zionists, and Netanyahu.

Hi Indy,
I don't think the US has the capabilities to send troops into Iran, look at Ukraine for example, Russia has been going at it on flat terrain for 3 years with everything they have.
Iran's territory is bigger than Ukraine, it's not flat terrain like Iraq or Ukraine, but mountainous, and the US didn't really win in Iraq, they were made to pay a heavy price with attacks by insurgents.
I don't think the US can invade Iran and win, and there's no telling whether or not Russia or China would come to Iran's aid.
I'm not sure about their military treaties, (Russia, China, Iran) they might all have defensive treaties with each other.
I'm not sure the US has the manpower or enough stockpiled weapons to sustain such a conflict in Iran, and also take into account that because the US engaged in a ruse to allow an attack by Israel while Iran was lead to believe they their still negotiating, Iranians will support their regime and fight the invaders to the death.

I think the whole thing will backfire.
Israel will get pummeled, and the US will back away from a full blown conflict involving boots on the ground.
Trump will claim victory and back away, just as he did with the Houty, without actually achieving anything.
Meanwhile Iran may look at North Korea (who has a Russian Topol M and ability to attack US mainland if it chooses) and say, we have a fatwa against nuclear weapons, but the only way we can prevent an invasion which the Zionist occupied US and Israel seem intent on is to actually possess the nuclear weapons as a deterrent.

http://x.com/AryJeay/status/1936723678663692515

Iranian Foreign Minister:

• Everyone should know that we pursued diplomacy, but the US and the Zionist regime launched aggressive attacks on Iran and its people, and we will use all our capabilities to defend ourselves.

• It’s illogical to demand from Iran return to diplomacy

• I don't know how much room remains for diplomacy after our nuclear facilities were bombed by the US & Israel.

• The US is not diplomatic and only understands the language of force and threats. They have shown that they do not respect the international charter and international law and do not adhere to any of them.

• NPT has failed to protect us.

• I will head to Moscow to meet with Putin. Russia is a friend of Iran and we have a strategic partnership with it [likely to discuss Iran-Russia relations if/when Iran leaves NPT.]

no telling whether or not Russia or China would come to Iran's aid.
Armchair Critic,
I don't think that those two are exactly Muslim friendly ! This is not an attack, this is the beginning of fighting back & a retaliation of what Islam has done & wants to continue to do to the World.

Dear Critic,

«What Israel did was allow the war to happen, if not make it happen.»

I hypothesise that Netanyahu personally initiated October 7th, but not Israel as such because nobody else would have been privy to his traitorous secret.

Either way, the rest of Israel had no choice, initially, but later on there was a choice to stop and Israel's government chose to continue the war, thereby killing that many more Israelis and prolonging the torture of the hostages.

«Maybe your family should've just left and saved themselves.»

Would you be so cruel to take your grandchildren out of kindi, away from their friends, their teachers and playgrounds, to wonder instead aimlessly in the streets of Limassol? Would you take your elderly parents out of nursing home and throw them on some plane or boat out in the cold in a foreign land, or would you just leave them there never to visit again? Would you allow your fields and orchards to die because there is no one the water and weed them?

«Tell that to the Palestinians whose entire existence is this.»

Yes, why don't you tell them to stop launching rockets and murdering and kidnapping innocent civilians?

They could have been prosperous otherwise, they could have had their own independent state too if they wanted, long long ago, and they could have a life, if only their main aim was not to take away other people's lives.

---

I cannot understand why are you so opposed to a regime change in Iran:
Are you in love with Khamenei and his Ayatollahs?
Are you keen on bringing the Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam back to this world to force Islam on us all?
Or are you simply outraged by the prospect of Iranian women not covering their hair, perhaps even wearing bikinis, Allah forbid?

Hi Fester,
From your earlier comment to me.

"You support the Russian invasion of Ukraine on the basis that Ukraine is using its military capability to harm Russia and ethnic Russians, and so Russia is justified in demilitarising Ukraine. But is that any different from Israel's justification for attacking Iran? Would the Palestinians be so well armed were it not for the military assistance from Iran?"

I actually didn't think Russia would invade, but my mindset has always been against sanctions (collective punishment) and regime changes.
It became apparent that it was a conflict by the West against Russia using a regime changed Ukraine (Maidan-2014) as it's proxy.

Regards M/E, I knew about the neoconservatives / Zionists war plans to overthrow 7 countries in 5 years, and so I've always been against this.
Netanyahu's wars have filled western countries with Muslims as a result.
- And I see this as an attack against our own countries, of sorts.
Even though the enemy seems to be our own western governments, however some might argue we needed population growth to sustain us economically.

"On the Ukrainian war, when do you think that infantry will be provisioned with anti-drone munitions like drone effective shotgun shells or proximity fragmenting shells? I'd imagine that there would be lots of research taking place and that Nato and American armour will have anti-drone systems soon if they don't have them currently."

I don't really have an answer to your questions, sorry.
But I saw a video of a Russian on the back of some armored vehicle taking down a drone with his rifle a few days back, it was either a really good, or lucky shot.

Advancements in drone capabilities are happening all the time, each time one side gets a leg up on the other, its not long before the other side brings the new capabilities to their own drones.

Take optic fiber cables (cant be brought down by jamming)
And drone nets protecting supply lines as examples.
Both sides are now using these methods.

Hi AC,

From what I've read it looks as if shot guns are very effective for infantry. There is lots of research into effective shell and weapon design. There are also plenty of weapons using proximity shells, but I'd imagine that they would be for automatic systems protecting armoured vehicles.

https://www.espritdecorps.ca/feature/shotguns-versus-drones-new-methods-to-deal-with-small-uavs

Albanese. Silent on US action against Iran. Midnight Hammer is described as his worst nightmare. Peace doesn’t come from “listening circles and UNESCO brochures”. Bunker busting does the trick. All the “dialogue” and “constraint” is just so much crap.

God save Australia from Albanese, because the voters won't

Boring as batsh.t though he is, and still thinking that the Liberal Party can be saved, Tony Abbott has tweeted the truth about Israel: “Israel is doing the world’s work in trying to destroy forever the Iranian nuclear weapons program and it’s good that America has supported its ally.

Hi Indy,
"I don't think that those two are exactly Muslim friendly !"
It's not about being Muslim friendly, it's about strategic interests.
But in regards to being Muslim friendly both Russia and China contain significant Muslim populations, in Russia there's Chechens, and in China they have Uyghurs...

Hi Yuyutsu,
Limassol, Larnaca, Nicosia... yes I probably would, and with the parents too, knowing that big trouble was on the way.
- War with Iran is a long planned US policy.

"Would you allow your fields and orchards to die because there is no one the water and weed them?"
Sad but yes, one can become very attached to ones plants, feels like a significant cost, but they're not your real loved ones.

"Yes, why don't you tell them to stop launching rockets and murdering and kidnapping innocent civilians?"
Israeli settlers killed 1000 Palestinians in the year prior to Oct 7.
Do they not love their kids too, do Israeli leaders not boast of killing the kids because they will become Hamas?
Did Israel not give them cause to react?
If you want terrorists a surefire way to make create them is kill their entire families, and that's something Israel is quite proficient at.
- Reap what you sowed.

"They could have been prosperous otherwise, they could have had their own independent state too if they wanted, long long ago, and they could have a life, if only their main aim was not to take away other people's lives."
- You make out like the Palestinians are the ones in the wrong, but Israel has (past and present) killed far more Palestinians than Palestinians killed Israelis.

[Cont.]

Penny Wong has now come out saying that the Australian Government fully supports the US taking out Iran's nukes.

It'll be interesting to see who is the most upset by this - ttbn or AC. I guess we'll see a competition between the two of them to see who can misunderstand the real world the most.

T'was only a few days ago that AC merrily asserting how bad US equipment was ...."US weapons are outdated and useless."

Now the US has pulled off the most extraordinary mission with the most extraordinary equipment with extraordinary efficiency and extraordinary secrecy.

They organised a mission that ultimately included over 50 planes and another 50 items of equipment from subs to carriers to decoy drones. They flew half way around the world and back again in utter secrecy, hit the most heavily defended parts of Iran without a shot being fired in return and did it with such precision that they were half way home before the Iranians even knew what had happened.

"US weapons are outdated and useless." Struth AC's a dill.

Meanwhile you can bet London to a brick on that meetings are taking place in the Kremlin and the Forbidden City right now trying to work out how all this changes the world's strategic situation.

Taiwan and Western Europe became much safer overnight.

"It'll be interesting to see who is the most upset by this - ttbn or AC."

I would suggest the ABC: Still hoping that the mops failed and Iran's nuclear weapons program is on track. Albo and Wong have done nothing to curtail Iran's uranium enrichment program.

[Cont.]
"I cannot understand why are you so opposed to a regime change in Iran"
I don't support regime changes. who the hell is a foreign government to decide who rules a foreign soverign country?
If Yahya Sinwar was still alive and I proposed to put him in charge of all of occupied Palestine, would you be ok with that?
I don't care about trying to re-organise the M/E in a manner suitable to Zionist or Western interests.
Israel is the cause of instability in the region, and their wars are the cause of Muslim immigration to all our western nations.
"Are you in love with Khamenei and his Ayatollahs?"
- No, that's for the Iranians to decide not me.
"Are you keen on bringing the Mahdi, the Twelfth Imam back to this world to force Islam on us all?"
No, but are you keen on Israels own religious sycophants, and western neoconsevatives, Zionists and Christian Zionists bringing about Greater Israel and Noahide law for all of us?
"Or are you simply outraged by the prospect of Iranian women not covering their hair, perhaps even wearing bikinis, Allah forbid?"
- It's not true, it's overblown propaganda.
(but I do like girls in bikinis)
Israel is the one who engineered Sunni Muslims with women in burka's and head choppers to take over Syria, this is ok?

How Iran’s Jews Survive in Mullahs’ World
http://forward.com/news/319269/irans-jews-win-secure-place-in-mullahs-world-with-strings-attached/

Headscarf - Stereotype v's Reality
http://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-60a83442eee8c4591874cd8d931f0204-pjlq

Hi mhaze, been a while...
"It'll be interesting to see who is the most upset by this - ttbn or AC. I guess we'll see a competition between the two of them to see who can misunderstand the real world the most."
- It was mostly political theater.
Iran moved all their important nuclear assets in the days prior to the airstrikes in anticipation of the attack which only did superficial damage anyway, and it seems Trumps already trying to back away from a larger conflict, but we'll see what happens.

They didn't hit Bushehr, which has 200+ Russian nuclear scientists,
- Putin put the fear of God into Trump on that one.

"They flew half way around the world and back again in utter secrecy"
No they didn't you fool.
When the B-2's took off carrying those 30,000lb GBU-57 bunker busters they could only carry limited fuel to reduce the take-off weight, and required immediate refuelling with KC-135 Stratotankers, and the whole thing was easily seen on flightradar24.com.
If some of my youtube content creator sources saw it, then the Iranians certainly did too.

Watch the video below if you don't believe me, or go back to sleep.

TRUMP GOES TO WAR WITH IRAN - LIVE COVERAGE!
http://www.youtube.com/live/zPxluKP1gaU

"Taiwan and Western Europe became much safer overnight."
- How exactly?
Western Europe now has significant Muslim populations, idiot.

Hi Fester
"Albo and Wong have done nothing to curtail Iran's uranium enrichment program."
- Nor have Israel or the West in this stupid charade.

While the Wonganese mob is more interested in ‘saving’ dual citizens being called “Aussies” than it is in praising America for doing the inevitable, lawyer Stephen Gethin writes: “Albanese’s contempt for the US alliance risks Australian sovereignty”.

The only reason why Australia is still independent is the post-war geopolitical order imposed by the US.

That order is now unwinding. America is losing patience, and Albanese is doing “all he can” to relieve the US of the burden of protecting the likes of Australia.

Australia has not yet had the dressing down that Europe and NATO received from “Trump 2.0”, but the possibility is there. And, the ANZUS agreement is “significantly weaker” than America's commitments to its NATO allies.

No other Australian PM has acted towards America as Albanese has; and his government's attitude to freedom of speech (and the Opposition's for that matter), the practising of identity politics, the too-close relationship with Communist China, and other social matters, might see Australian relegated to just another totalitarian country beyond help.

For the last three years, we have certainly been out of sync with most other Western countries. And Albanese has made things worse by flipping the bird at the only country that can help us to even remain a Western country.

I wonder how Donald Trump felt about Labor bellowing about him during the election and using him as a reason not to vote for the Coalition. In Albanese Australia, the Communist dictator Xi gets a better press than Trump.

"If some of my youtube content creator sources saw it, "

No one saw it AC. They might be telling you after the fact that they saw it, and you, as usual, will fall for it but you won't find anyone who was calling it before the actual attack. They are all Monday morning quarterbacks and you will fall for it.

Just as you've now fallen for the Iranian claims that they moved it all out of harms way days ago. Two things for you to consider there.... (1) if they were moving some stuff out of the safety of the Fordo mountain then that stuff would have been easy prey for Israel whch now controls the skies over Iran; (2) do you know how long it takes to safely dismantle a centrifuge and its components? Weeks. And they had 1000s of them. Possibly 10s of 1000s. And you fall for the claim they moved them in a few days. Same old gullible AC.

BTW AC whatever happened to those Israeli pilots you said got shot down on the first day? Funny that the mullahs haven't paraded them around for the propaganda value. Just another story AC fell for and will now rapidly consign to the memory-hole.

Dear Critic,

«Limassol, Larnaca, Nicosia...»

Well my family has not gotten that desperate and still believe that they can survive in Israel. Yes, the Iranian attacks are devastating, over a 1000 Israelis wounded in their homes and shelters, around 10,000 homeless - but hey, out of 10 millions that is only 0.1% while leaving is 100% loss, so my family takes that chance. If they ever leave, that would be because of Netanyahu and his ilk, not because of outside attacks.

«War with Iran is a long planned US policy.»

Maybe, maybe not, I am not an expert on these things, but what has my family got to do with it? They did not initiate this or any other war!

«Israeli settlers killed 1000 Palestinians in the year prior to Oct 7.»

Fair enough - then bomb them to dust, but my family are not Israeli settlers, so why should they suffer? Almost none of those murdered or hijacked on October 7th was a settler: the vast majority were peace-loving Kibbutz members and hippy-like music-lovers who absolutely abhor those fanatic settlers.

«Do they not love their kids too, do Israeli leaders not boast of killing the kids»

Sure, then target those Israeli leaders - my family did not kill any kids, nor boasts such atrocities.

«Did Israel not give them cause to react?»

But not a good cause. Every fool can find causes, but it hurt themselves most.

«If you want terrorists a surefire way to make create them is kill their entire families, and that's something Israel is quite proficient at.»

And Netanyahu just loves it: it was foolish Arab terrorists who brought him to power and the more terrorists around, the longer he stays in power.

«Reap what you sowed.»

My family has not sowed anything to deserve this in their present life.
But you are correct, perhaps they were German Nazis, Pol Pot soldiers, KGB agents or the like in their previous life, or perhaps members of the Spanish Inquisition, or perhaps they just murdered their relatives with mushrooms, who knows - divine justice cannot fail.

[continued...]

[...continued]

«You make out like the Palestinians are the ones in the wrong, but Israel has (past and present) killed far more Palestinians than Palestinians killed Israelis.»

Why can't BOTH be in the wrong?

While Israel's government can be very cunning, the "Palestinian" leaders are plain foolish - either that or masochistic.

Their blind emotionally-uncontrolled reactions brought their people so much misery... but maybe that's just what they wanted...

«I don't support regime changes. who the hell is a foreign government to decide who rules a foreign soverign country?»

And who the hell are those tyrant Ayatollahs who dictate the Iranian people what to wear and how to live, torturing those who oppose them?

And I didn't even ask you to support regime-change, only asked why you oppose it... rather than the Ayatollahs' cleric dictatorship.

«If Yahya Sinwar was still alive and I proposed to put him in charge of all of occupied Palestine, would you be ok with that?»

It may be a hard choice between him and Netanyahu, but Netanyahu has so far kept my family alive, while Sinwar, I think, would kill them all within a week.

«I don't care about trying to re-organise the M/E in a manner suitable to Zionist or Western interests.»

Neither do I, but I do care about the poor oppressed Persian people!

«Israel is the cause of instability in the region, and their wars are the cause of Muslim immigration to all our western nations.»

Do read the history of the Middle-East and check whether at any historical period wars were less frequent that earthquakes in Japan.

We are fortunate to live in peace here, but I don't believe that we have some divine exclusive right do deny the same from others.

«No, but are you keen on Israels own religious sycophants, and western neoconsevatives, Zionists and Christian Zionists bringing about Greater Israel and Noahide law for all of us?»

You know I don't.

«(but I do like girls in bikinis)»

But you won't be overjoyed when Iranian women can wear them again?

«Israel-is-the-one-who-engineered-Sunni-Muslims-with-women-in-burka's-and-head-choppers-to-take-over-Syria,-this-is-ok?»

Sorry, no idea what you're talking about.

Hi mhaze,
Maybe if you watched the video you wouldn't be so dense.

"No one saw it AC. They might be telling you after the fact that they saw it, and you, as usual, will fall for it but you won't find anyone who was calling it before the actual attack."

http://www.youtube.com/live/zPxluKP1gaU?t=208

Transcript
"I just want to pull up the um the Blackstone assessment I had done earlier the strike assessment,I want to see how close I got to this all right so here here's what I published earlier...
So what I had mentioned was that this:
was not some global rotation that what I had been following was the movement of B2 uh stealth bombers out of Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri moving toward the Pacific uh looked like they were going to head out to Anderson Air Force Base in Guam possibly hop over to Diego Garcia but that wasn't going to be necessary because they've moved over this previous week I had reported on the movement of some of these stratotankers that basically air force refueling planes getting them in place so that the B2s would not necessarily have to go to Diego Garcia they could just go in and refuel in the air when these when these B2s take off because they're carrying massive ordinance the bunkerbusters right the massive ordinance penetrators these things are 30,000 pounds each so at takeoff you are not going to be able to have the full amount of fuel that you want you have to compensate by reducing fuel at takeoff so when I the reason I knew or one of the main reasons I knew that this is all going down is when..."

Ahem... aren't you sick of me making you look stupid all these years?
Not my fault your paid sources are rubbish and you think you know something, when you don't.
I even added the timestamp to the link this time so you can follow along.

"Israeli settlers killed 1000 Palestinians in the year prior to Oct 7."

AC just makes these numbers up out of thin air to try to justify his wacky views and then expresses outrage at fictitious deaths.

"According to available data, six Palestinians were killed by Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank in 2022. This figure is cited in a Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor report".

"Amnesty International and OCHA (United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs) reported six Palestinians killed by settlers in the first nine months of 2023."

Six to nine killed by settlers as per various NGOs or 1000 killed as per AC's fantasies. Which to believe?

Well AC we see that you struggle to understand simple facts again.

Your quote from your source, for want of a better word, doesn't in the slightest confirm what you think it confirms. Its talking about the the B-2s flying out over the Pacific and headed for Guam and Deigo Garcia etc. And there were planes that did head that way.

But, and see if you can follow this, they were a decoy. They weren't the planes that took out the nuclear sites. They were a decoy. The actual planes that did the attack headed west over the Atlantic. So the ones that you thought your sources were so clever at detecting were SUPPOSED to be detected. They were a decoy and the US took no measures to hide them. Its pretty funny that the decoys were meant to fool the Iranians but also fooled people like your sources (for want of a better word) and people like yourself who think they understand all while in reality being utterly clueless.

The ones that were the actual attackers were hidden and weren't observed by your 'source' (for want of a better word). Therefore your claims that your sources saw it and therefore Iran saw it, are just plain wrong and not a little dumb. Have I lost you yet.

So back to my main point which is clearly going to go over your head. You asserted that the US equipment was outdated and useless, but we now see that , when used by competent leadership, they are very much not outdated and are capable of pulling off an astonishing feat of arms. And it is that fact that will have the boffins in Moscow and Peking pondering the implications for their own aggressive tendencies.

Australia is no longer a credible ally of the US. There is no reason for Donald Trump to allow Albanese anywhere near him, let alone talk to him. Australia, like Spain, Brazil and South Korea are the only medium size nations not to have had a face-to-face with Donald Trump. Even Mexico scored a Zoom meeting with him after he returned to Washington. Trump wasn't too busy for that.

Trump is well aware that Australia is mismanaged by noisy politicians who don't see any need for the Australia/US alliance and, also, that these yobbos despise him personally. Just the insult of leaving Rudd in America is enough to put Trump right off on its own.

The bizarre Wonganese commentary on Israel and Iran is as good as asking Trump to ignore Australia as a land of idiots. They are still jabbering about a ‘two state’ solution in the ME, when Israel's enemies want it wiped out: no Israeli ‘state’ at all.

With no Opposition to speak of, and a naive electorate, we are steadily getting closer to something very nasty happening in this country.

Why can't BOTH be in the wrong?
Yuyutsu,
Wrong is not the right word, insane is more apt !

Australia used to know that it stood with its allies in defence of democracy.

Now, Australia is torn between economic ties with China and America - a democratic country like ours, populated by people like us.

Communism is obnoxious, to put it mildly; Albanese thinks he can cosy up to it and not become tainted. What a bloody fool he is. What bloody fools Australian voters are.

Russia: Other nations ready to supply Iran with nukes after U.S. strike
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2025/06/22/aftermath-trump-strikes-iran-nuclear-sites/6851750604331/

"What have the Americans accomplished with their nighttime strikes on three nuclear sites in Iran?" Medvedev questioned in a post on social media. "The enrichment of nuclear material -- and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons -- will continue. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own
nuclear warheads."

A Telegram account affiliated with the Iran Revolutionary Guard Corps said Sunday that satellite images show Iran had evacuated everything from the Fordow site 48 hours before the US attack and moved it to a safe location.

"This image shows a large number of trucks that had quickly evacuated enrichment materials, equipment and other supplies from the Fordow site," the post reads. "It is clear that Trump's failed and dramatic attack not only did not damage the underground Fordow facilities, but the site was empty."

"Rafael Mariano Grossi, the director-general of the IAEA, said Sunday he will call an emergency meeting of the IAEA Board of Governors on Monday after the American strike. He said Iranian nuclear officials had not recorded an increase in off-site radiation levels."

1000 killed in West Bank
http://www.youtube.com/live/zPxluKP1gaU?t=3001

As for 'No-one knew' mhaze watch the first 3 minutes of the video for some context.
Timing lines up, in any case it doesn't matter, it achieved nothing.
Nothing except North Korea and possibly Pakistan offering Iran the bomb themselves.
Why wouldn't North Korea do so?
Then America would have to find some other weak country other than Iran without nuclear weapons to bully.

ttbn,
Obviously both you and Stephan Goosebrain don't understand the difference between sovereign state and vassal state.

You all need to get yourselves some quality content.

TRUMP FAKE ATTACK ON IRAN - ISRAEL DEFEATED - POLITICAL FALLOUT IMMENSE
http://www.youtube.com/live/smkalmOuVkg

This is quality content ? It seems to be 1hr 20 mins of
non understandable babel.
http://www.youtube.com/live/smkalmOuVkg

Hi AC,

I don't think that Russia had a problem with the destruction of Iran's nuclear weapons program, and there is no way that Putin would give the regime a nuke: I suspect it is one reason why Trump has limited aid to Ukraine.

Now that the major backers of terrorism in the Middle East have been degraded, the place should become more peaceful.

Aside from Israel and the US making the world safer, it was nice to see Albo and Wong shown up as revolting and inept Jew hating diplomats.

"...it was nice to see Albo and Wong shown up as revolting and inept Jew hating diplomats".

They have always been those things but, amazingly, they are our Prime Minister and Foreign Minister.

What does that say about Australian voters? Does it say that they are also Jew-haters? Or does it mean they don't know how to use our undemocratic preference system.

There's no point in the saying they didn't vote for Labor: less than a third of voters did choose Labor as their first preferences. It's their ignorance/misuse of the preferential system that’s the problem, and allowing the party they did vote for to choose their preferences for them.

AC,

You claimed your sources had seen the coming attack and the planes in flight and therefore the Iranians had seen it. But your sources had misled you (they always mislead you!!) since they in fact hadn't detected the attack planes. Instead they'd seen the decoy planes. So they were misled and they in turn misled you and you all congregated down the garden path., which is where you always end up.

Now some with a little intestinal fortitude would acknowledge the error and seek to do better next time. Someone with a little integrity would rapidly retract the absurd assertion..."aren't you sick of me making you look stupid all these years?"... since it is now obvious it was AC who was made to look stupid.

But alas its AC we are dealing with and he will try to brazen it through and in a month's time will have forgotten what a dill he made of himself and will convince himself he and his sources were completely correct. So sad.

The same goes with his assertions that 1000 Palestinians were killed by Israeli settlers in the year before 23/7. A completely fabricated claim that is utterly refuted by the official figures. Just made up to try to justify the 23/7 invasion. More trips down the garden path for AC !!

Trump announces a ceasefire. Art of the deal.

It has been reported that a ceasefire between Israel and Iran will take place around 2pm Australian time. But, there is some scepticism in America.

Trump has said that the ceasefire has been agreed between the two parties, but there are heads being shaken. Iran, with almost 50 years of hatred for Israel and the US is not suddenly going to flip the switch.

Iran has attacked US bases in retaliation. Will that be overlooked?

Iran's nuclear capability has been set back 3 or more years (reportedly). That was the deal as far as Israel was concerned. Only a complete regime change will solve the Iran problem. Peace is still a pie in the sky.

I noticed that the IDF targeted a lot of concentrations of Iranian repression such as offices of the morals police, but I doubt it will be enough for an overthrow of the regime. That would require outside assistance in excess of the assistance the regime can draw on.

Bezza,
Garland is smarter than all of us.
http://www.youtube.com/live/JMx2nmt4WLA

Fester
"I don't think that Russia had a problem with the destruction of Iran's nuclear weapons program, and there is no way that Putin would give the regime a nuke: I suspect it is one reason why Trump has limited aid to Ukraine."

I think they do, they have 200+ nuclear scientists in Iran already, and I think they would to checkmate the west.
But they don't have to North Korea or Pakistan will.
They're not going to let Iran become another Syria.
And the west doesn't do ceasefires look at Ukraine, it's victory plan.

"Now that the major backers of terrorism in the Middle East have been degraded, the place should become more peaceful."
Who, Israel? I told you all these wars since 9/11 are Neoconservatives, Zionists and Netanyahus wars
Wesley Clark 7 wars in 5 years.
How many times must I say it
http://youtu.be/x17KVOiiGfI

mhaze,
I'm told Russia advised them to let the attack happen.
If they saw 'decoy planes' they'd still think an attack was imminent.
What I'm sick of, is you nitpicking everything and making me waste comments when I need to respond to others as well.
I provide the info and the source, it's up to you to think whatever you want.
1000 Palestinians, Jake's way more knowledgeable on this topic than you, that's why he could make a 5 hour video.
Here's another he released this morning.

The Untold History of Israel: Terror, Land Grabs, and Lies - Part 1
http://youtu.be/IYYWBXBhdW4

Anyone catch what Lindsay Graham said to Trump
http://x.com/GOP4Ukraine/status/1936795861079437820
500% sanctions on anyone buying Russian oil.

http://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/aboard-marine-one-a-phone-call-and-the-decision-to-strike-iran-15dd371d
>>Graham, in an interview, said he told Trump that authorising strikes in Iran would give the U.S. an opportunity to repair damage done to America's reputation abroad after the botched withdrawal fromAfghanistan. "You'll be the new sheriff in town, and this will reset our relationship with the rest of the world," Graham said he told the president.<<

Trumps a moron.

Well it seems the ceasefire is holding. At least for now. The problem is that the Iranian regime is fractured and fracturing under the combined pressure of Israeli attacks and the US giving them a smack behind the ears. That means that rogue groups may try to continue the forlorn battle in the name of Allah and this in turn could provoke Israel into taking them out as its done to so many others.

OTOH, there seems some hope that more rational elements in Iran are rising to the challenge and recognising that, with their empire in disarray, they need to make peace with all those they've alienated over the past 40 years.

Given its natural resources and long cultural history, Iran could and should be one of the most prosperous nations in the Middle-East. It isn't because it is run by people more interested in their next life rather than the welfare of the nation.

We should remember what an astonishing job Israel has done in the last 21 months after being invaded by Hamas. The M-E is utterly changed for the better thanks to the steady hand of Netanyahu and more recently Trump. Hamas is finished. Hezbullah cowed. The Houthis too. Assad gone and a compliant regime stabilising Syria. And now, in a mere 12 days, Iran utterly defeated and left seeking an honourable surrender.

Forests will be felled to handle the books that are going to be written about this overturning of the old realities

So AC, that's a 'No' to acknowledging you got it wrong. Pretty much what we've come to expect from you.

"I provide the info and the source, "

No. You have a series of people who have agendas that go over your head and make up stuff that you fall for. And then you demand that the rest of us fall for it as well. Unfortunately for you, we're not all as gullible as you.

"Jake's way more knowledgeable on this topic than you, that's why he could make a 5 hour video.".
Oh so because he can waffle about complete rubbish, that in your eyes makes him knowledgeable!! Struth.
He got it utterly wrong on the B-2 attacks and you still fawn over his every word.

The Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor, the UN and Amnesty International ALL say there were less than 10 Palestinians killed by settlers in the year prior to 23/7, but you choose to beleive some bozo who claims there were 1000 while providing precisely no evidence for the claim. And then you think you're credible. Pretty funny.

mhaze,
How do you make a no into a yes?
You present nothing, and expect me to fold.
You do it time and again, expect me to cave to your bluff.

None of you ever present anything except personal opinion.
When was the last time any of you provided a link to substantiate your positions?

The whole entire thing about Iranian nuclear weapon ambitions is built on lies, do any of you even get that?
Just like Saddams WMD's.

Watch.
Alastair Crooke : Trump's Grave Miscalculations.
http://www.youtube.com/live/6RM5bChTGPA

Make that video above fit with ttbn's opening thread post, throw in Wesley Clark's 7 countries in 5 years for good measure and you have the current situation playing out.

It's a planned war against Israels adversaries, all while Israel is conducting a genocide to enrage the Muslim populations into forcing their rulers to react, and ultimately all in support of Greater Israel plan.
All of it, since 9/11 and Saddam's WMD's that never existed.
Then they export said enraged Muslims to our own western countries to boot, whilst Jewish bankers profit off the conflict, to pay the think tanks, buy off the politicians and keep the wheels of regime change and colonisation turning.

Take note mhaze the above video also pointed ou my earlier claim that Russia told Iran to let the attack happen contradicting your regular bs.
Do you claim to have better credentials than Alastair Crooke?
Put up or shut up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Crooke

Crooke started his career in London banking for a few years.
Later worked for nearly 30 years in the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) under diplomatic cover in Northern Ireland, South Africa, Colombia, Pakistan and the Middle East. His early work included helping provide weapons to jihadists fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan and assisting in the Northern Ireland peace process.
In 1997, he became a security adviser to the EU special envoy to the Middle East, and operating out of the British Embassy in Tel Aviv was involved in British attempts to draw Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other Palestinian groups into the political process. He was involved in negotiations to end the Israeli army's siege of Yasser Arafat's compound in Ramallah and the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem. He assisted the negotiation of several local truces between the Israelis and Palestinians during the early 2000s. Crooke had good contacts with the Israeli military and intelligence services.
He was a member of the Mitchell Committee into the causes of the Second Intifada in 2000.
In 2001, British ambassador to Israel Francis Cornish described him as "a person who worked with the security apparatuses of both sides...

"Well it seems the ceasefire is holding. At least for now. The problem is that the Iranian regime is fractured and fracturing under the combined pressure of Israeli attacks and the US giving them a smack behind the ears."

That's funny, a friend told me it lasted about 2 hours, although I haven't checked.

You think Iran is fracturing, quite the opposite.
When Trump demanded 'unconditional surrender' what he actually said was 'we want you to become like Syria' and it galvanised even the liberal Iranians to stand with the Islamic Republic.
You sure are clueless.

Israel is running out of interceptors, the ceasefire was a plan to rearm.
And Trump and Netanyahu wanted to use US forces in the region as Iranian target practice and a tripwire to justify a larger war.
- Not too different to Israel attacking the USS Liberty and trying to blame it on Egypt to get US involved in the 1967 six-day war.
Sick.

Trumps no genius, he's a schmuck being played by the fanatical warmongers advising him and too dumb to even know any different.
Take Lindsay Graham's admission published in the WSJ as proof of that.
Dumb as dog shite, and all you lot hang on his every word to tell you what and how to think.

Hi AC,

The Russian scientists would have been keeping the Kremlin informed. Who do you think tipped off the IAEA about the uranium enrichment and quantities produced?

"Who, Israel?"

Where would the Houthis and Palestinians get their terrorist supplies from without their main backer? I feel sorry for all the people suffering under those brutal regimes.

No, Fester watch the above video with Alastair Crooke.
The whole thing was a ruse just like Iraqi WMD.
The threat concocted with the help of false reporting by the IAEA.
It's in the video, but I think I also laid out a few of the details on Bezzas thread a few days back as well.

Medvedev put the wind up the US talking about other nations ready to supply Iran with nuclear warheads. Checkmate
And Israel was getting pummelled so badly they had to censor any news coverage, running out of interceptors and not politicallt possible to continue. The Israelis have been given a taste of their on medicine and it was something they never ever faced before.

And I told you all there was also a chance Trump would back away, (apparently Israel was begging the US for a deal to end the conflict)
And as usual, the US skulks away with it's tail between it's legs claiming victory.
The Iranians say there was no real damage to their nuclear program and no-one knows where the enriched uranium is.
There was no increased levels of radiation detected after the strikes, so obviously they were ineffective.
Everything got moved prior to the strikes anyway.

Medvedev stated their nuclear bomb program will continue.
Whether thats an admission or not who knows.
hard to know with Medvedev.
Putins statements are always measured but Medvedev says a lot of things which sometimes seem over the top.
A bit of good cop, bad cop maybe

Hi AC,

You talk about false reporting from the IAEA, but then you say that the Iranians still have all their enriched uranium along with Russia's blessing to continue the development of a nuclear weapon.

I agree with you about treating Russian comments with skepticism, which is why I think they were ratting on the Iranians to America.

Khamenei would not need to hide in a bunker were he not supplying terrorists and firing missiles at Israel. Iran has suffered for his belligerence.

Hi Fester,
No, you have to look at the bigger picture.
The US and Donald Trump can't be trusted at their word.
And they have a policy in place to overthrow the country, hence ttbn's reason for starting this thread.
And they've been doing this stuff to Iran probably long before the 1953 ousting of Mohammad Moseddeq to install the Shah and loot the countries oil.
Certainly the US has never forgiven Iran after the 1979 capture of the US Embassy in Tehran.

The Iranians were at least somewhat lead to believe they were still negotiating when Israel launched airstikes, which Trump boasted of knowing about in advance.
So if I was the Ayatolloh I'd he hiding too right now, better safe than sorry.
Trumps America can't be trusted.

Like I said Medvedev always has extreme comments, while Putin himself is always very measured in what he says.
Maybe keeps them guessing, but I wouldn't blame the Iranians right now if the Ayatollah (a religious cleric who can be replaced) decided to reverse the fatwa on nuclear weapons after both US and Israeli attack.
Look at North Korea, why aren't they invaded or overthrown?
Simple, they possess nukes.

North Korea helped supply Iran's centrifuges.
I'm certain Kim Jong Un, has offered Iran nuclear warheads
- A middle finger salute to America, who are also trying to mess with that country.
At the very least, it creates some leverage.
And I think Trump and the US weren't expecting it, and it gave them a little cause to back off.

"I agree with you about treating Russian comments with skepticism, which is why I think they were ratting on the Iranians to America."
- The Russians aren't going to rat on the Iranians, they have defensive treaties and are a part of the BRICS block.
Doing so would undermine their own interests, and to add to this the US may as well be at war with Russia using Ukraine as it's proxy.

[Cont.]

Israel is the one who has been smacked around, and faced something they've never faced in modern history and the people are in shock.
But the media will sell us all a winning narrative as they always do.

I'm glad Israel got smacked around a little, it had it coming.
But I don't really wish to see the conflict continue or innocent lives lost.
2 wrongs don't really make a right, but Israel had it coming from it's attacks on foreign countries and genocide of the Palestinians.
People are still being killed daily just trying to get food.

AC wrote: "When was the last time any of you provided a link to substantiate your positions?"

Yes AC you insert lots of links. But, and please sit down when you read this, quantity doesn't trump quality.

Yes, you view lots of 'x' posts and YTubes, and link them here. But if they are rubbish posts then having lots of them doesn't fix that problem.

In the last week you've told us via your links that:

1. Iran shot down three IDF planes and captured the pilots on the first day.
2. That Jewish settlers killed 1000 Palestinians in the year prior to 23/7.
3. the planes that attacked Fordow flew west from the US over the Pacific when in fact they flew east over the Atlantic.

All wrong. All from your sources. All easily checked and found to be wrong.

But you believed it because you wanted it to be true.

Getting all your information from biased posters whose main aim is to encourage you to watch their next posts is really a fools errand. It was easy to see where the US planes flew just by looking at the official sites or reading any number of quality newspapers. Its easy to see how many Palestinians were killed by just going to the reports from those on the ground like Amnesty or the UN. Its easy to deduce that no pilots were captured based on the fact that the Iranians didn't parade them before the world's media. When the dogs don't bark it means something (Hounds of the Baskervilles).

I get where you're coming from AC. You have these go-to sources who tell you today what you want to hear and you don't care a jot that what they told you yesterday turned out to be utter rot.

But I don't work like that.

Let me explain to you how YTube works for posters or content-providers. They put up a video and hope that people watch it. The more who watch it and the longer they watch, the more they get paid by YTube (which is why you get 5 hour videos that say what could have been said in 20 minutes = longer videos means more revenue). So the so-called content providers want to find a section of the public who will regularly watch their posts and generate revenue for them and YTube via the advertising. So they tell a subset of people what they want to hear in the hope that they'll continue watching and come back and watch the next post.

Tell people that Russia is winning and those who want that to be true will turn up again. Tell them that the US military failed to keep their mission over Iran secret and they'll (1) believe it because they want it to be true and (2) turn up to watch the next instalment.

And these content-providers know that people won't notice and/or care if the claims turn out to be wrong. They'll just keep coming back as you keep going back to people who have told you all sorts of whoppers over the years.

That's all within reason. Sometimes they make so many mistakes that even their clueless gullible followers start to fall away as happened to Tony Cartalucci a few years back. So many errors that even loyal true believers stopped watching. Solution? Changed his name to Brian Berletic and people like you just signed up all over again.

YouTube is useful in so many ways. But getting unbiased information on current events isn't one of them, particularly if, as in your case, you aren't searching for truth but searching for confirmation bias.

Number 1. I haven't seen any definitive proof of the wreckage or captured pilots
Number 2. I'm yet to figure out Jakes source, but I'll try to contact him and ask if I can
Number 3. Don't have any evidence of that either, but the timeline Jake laid out fits.

Ultimately it matters not, Israel still got smacked around the worst it ever has in modern history and I'm told it was them begging for a ceasefire.
But from what I understand, neither side really wanted to continue.

"Israel still got smacked around the worst it ever has in modern history"

Struth!. AC lives in a fantasy world all of his own making.

Hi AC,

These things are never clear. I was just thinking with so many Russian nuclear engineers and Putin doing it tough in Ukraine, the chances of the intelligence coming from Russia would be greater.

"Look at North Korea, why aren't they invaded or overthrown?"

Maybe because China has their back? Anyway, I think that the sentiment of Western nations these days is, "You want to live in a s'hole country then good luck to you.". Where would you rather live? North or South?

Obviously the South,
And does that mean I'm glad not to be born in the North, probably.
But that's their life and that's their world.
I could say to Kim Jung Un:
"You could be doing this and you could be doing that..."
I could say "You could be doing better for your people"
- But it's not my place to impose

And as I've said to you a long time ago,
The countries, targets of the Wests fifth columns who are willing to play the long game and sow discontent for regime change, well those countries leaders don't have the room to offer such freedoms when the West will use such measures as a way to topple the nations leaders, put in their own puppet rulers
And then manage the country in a way not in the peoples interests
But in a way that benefits a foreign power or big business.

Like lets say a large billion dollar multinational has eyes on a certain countries mineral wealth.
It's nothing for them to give a large donation to a think tank who will then devise a strategy to topple the countries leadership, and firstly promote the strategy to politicians and then when it all goes down everyone gets a piece of the pie, MIC included.
But the people living there have their nations wealth taken for the interests of a foreign government and big business.

How many times did the U.S talk about it's 'national interests' when the country involved was on the other side of the globe, and not a threat to the U.S. in any way.

That is an old Soviet narrative, AC. When I look at threats to Australia, top of the list is the idiocy of net zero. Granted, there might be CCP influence because that is where the solar panels and windmills come from, and with billions being tossed about like confetti there is lots of commercial lobbying, but the main architects are democratically elected.

Similarly, I think that people living in s'hole countries might attribute their quality of life to their authoritarian rulers rather than Great Satan America or the Elders of Zion.

I told you all years back regime changes are funded by USAID and run by the NED (National Endowment for Democracy)
In any case the Iranian FM announced a week prior to the strikes they were moving centrifuges and enriched uranium.
There were no increased levels of uranium, because there was nothing there, but also the strikes themselves were ineffective.

[Cont.]

“This is the mother of all wars and should only end on the terms of unconditional surrender by the regime in Iran,” Havakuk, 37, says.
Would he support Israel trying to assassinate the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei? “Of course,” he replies.<<

On the other hand...

>>As he waits on the street to be allowed back into his home to survey the damage from the missile strike, Beersheba resident Meir Nahamani is still in shock from that morning’s attack. “I never thought this could happen right next to my home,” he says.

He argues that Israeli strikes on Iran were encouraging retaliation and increasing the danger for Israeli civilians. Facing the task of rebuilding a bombed-out home, he says it is time for the fighting to end and life in Israel to return to something resembling normal. He has learnt firsthand the damage Iranian missiles can cause. “This is a different animal to what we are used to with Hamas,” he says. “This is a more serious enemy.”<<

So Israel spends 18mths flattening Gaza killing tens of thousands of civillians, if not more, while the world looks on in horror, but suddenly after 12 days of the same treatment, they're screaming 'PLEASE STOP!!'

12 days?
(And Israel was already running out of missile interceptors)
The mother of all wars?

Cry me a fecking river...

Reap what you've sown...

"but also the strikes themselves were ineffective."

"Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson acknowledged that the country’s nuclear facilities were “badly damaged” by recent U.S. airstrikes, the Associated Press reported, though no additional details were provided."

Who to believe? One of AC bozo sources or the actual Iran government?

This just gets funnier each day.

Just to return to reality for a second, its probably true that some of the nuclear material at Fordow etc was moved elsewhere, but completely false that the centrifuges were moved. These are delicate instruments that take weeks or months to dismantle and move, and there were thousands of them at Fordow alone.

Sure there was a lot of above ground damage, but Iran moved all its important underground assets a week ago, there was reportedly only 400kg of enriched 60% unranium, maybe more lower grade but there were reportedly dozens of trucks that moved in to remove other assets, (satellite imagery available if you look) also Iran sealed up all the underground entrances to prevent any damage.
And the Iranian parliament voted to oust the IAEA.

Here's why there was a ceasefire despite all the tough talk.

Israel Is Running Low on Defensive Interceptors, Official Says June 18, 2025 (8 days ago)
http://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-is-running-low-on-defensive-interceptors-official-says-fd64163d
'A shortage of Arrow interceptors has set off a scramble to augment Israel’s defenses'

"Israel is running low on defensive Arrow interceptors, according to a U.S. official, raising concern about the country’s ability to counter long-range ballistic missiles from Iran if the conflict isn’t resolved soon."

Israel was on the verge of being completely trashed.
I heard by about day 8, that there was already half a trillion US dollars in damage.
And if Israel is running low then the US is running low.
And Ukraine wont be able to prevent Russia attacks either.
How much weaponry do you think China has stockpiled now.
They have this one factory that can produce the components for 5000 cruise missiles a day, and you morons want to fight them?

Hi mhaze,
I concede on the decoy planes point.
Margaret Brennan and Marco Rubio on Face the Nation
http://youtu.be/8ehOgu5cnTA

- You see how easy it is to add a link and put the matter to rest?

Discussion of the Iranian public being fractured though are wrong.
They rallied around the leadership after being threatened and attacked and given demands for unconditional surrender.

I've heard this at least half a dozen times now from numerous sources

Israel cannot dictate the future of the Middle East
http://youtu.be/UGDXZJ81HpI?si=g1y62yJSPgMvk8c2

So Armchair Critic you say, "I heard by about day 8, that there was already half a trillion US dollars in damage."

Hmm, I don't think you appreciate much money half-a-trillion US dollars is. The Iranians would have had to successfully fired 1000's and 1000's and 1000's and 1000's of missiles to do this much damage. Whole urban areas (towns/cities) in Israel would have to have been completely destroyed.

To give you a feel for how much half-a-trillion USD really is, consider this: The *whole* of Australia's housing stock (ie: every apartment/flat, townhouse, duplex, mcmansion, cottage, etc. collectively) is worth about 7-and-a-half trillion USD (to closest $0.5T). But Australia's population is more than 2 and a half times larger than Israel's.
To do half-a-T$ damage in Australia you could wipe out every residential building in Hobart, Darwin and Adelaide and you would still have to do more.

(As-an-aside: this should also show you just how powerful economically and militarily America really is:
-They spend more than half-a-trillion *each year* on their military.
-Their largest publicly listed company is Nvidia and is worth about 3 and 1/2 trill-usd. The top three companies: Nvidia, Microsoft and Apple total to about 10trill, ie. these three companies alone are worth considerably more than *all* residential buildings in Australia.
-The richest man, Elon Musk, is somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of a trill (depending on stockmarket prices of the day). So Elon could buy, say Darwin and Hobart, give them away for free and he would still be incredibly rich.
Just to make this current, I just now had a look: the three americans- Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison and Elon Musk combined personal wealth decreased by over $10billion USD today- ie: their daily loss today is about 10,000 Australian houses (in board figures) but they would barely have noticed compared to their collective wealth of of more than $0.5T USD. Meanwhile: Jensen Huang, Larry Page and Sergey Brin's collective wealth increased today by about 10 billion but again they would barely notice because to them it's nothing compared to their total wealth.
)

"I concede on the decoy planes point."

Good but not really the point. There was never a doubt that your take on the B-2 attack was badly astray. But just recognising that is just the start. You need to understand that the people who fed you the lies/errors were utterly wrong and that ought to colour how you view the rest of their claims. They also fed you the story that the US military is "outdated and useless" which is clearly erroneous. They also fed you the line that the Iranians saw the coming attack but stood down at the instruction of Russia. All of which you should now realise is rubbish.

Its all very well to have several sources but if they are sources that continually fed you this type of crap, the only intelligent thing is to search elsewhere.

That is the lesson you need to learn.

"Discussion of the Iranian public being fractured though are wrong."

I didn't say that. I said the regime was fractured ie the leadership or at least what's left of it. (just one example of what is being talked about.... http://tiny.cc/3g2o001). As to the Iranian people, who knows. Its impossible to get a read on what the public is thinking in a totalitarian regime. Just because a crowd turns up to cheer for the regime doesn't tell us another about what the tens of millions who didn't cheer think.

You shouldn't get to worked up over calls for regime change or unconditional surrender. That was just US rhetoric to put the wind up Khamenei et al who took the bait and immediately went to ground. Trump has now said regime change isn't on his agenda.

_________________________________________________________________

Just as an aside, there are now stories of Qatar brokering a deal to end the Hamas war with four Arab nations jointing running Gaza, all hostages released and all Hamas leaders going into exile. Early days but a sign of just how badly Iran and its proxies have been defeated.

Hi AC,

"Discussion of the Iranian public being fractured though are wrong."

Everyone has a different perspective. I listened to the ABC reporting of the B2 raid: It could have been radio Palestine reporting on the bombing of the People's paradise of Iran by Great Satan America. Then there was the Greens with the view that if Iran wants to build an atomic weapon then that is their business and the US is out of line interfering. Extraordinary.

What is your take on why Russia has not come to Iran's aid?

I saw one video, which appeared to be from an aircraft or drone of
a long line of trucks that all looked identical said to have been
going from Fromton, spell ? then a shot presumably from a drone
coming closer and closer and then hitting one of the trucks.
Could that have been the centrifuges on their way out to safety.
If so, I think a lot would have been destroyed.
They will start making nuclear weapons again and they will never
stop as it is part of their religion.
It has something to do with the 12th hidden Imman.
He will not emerge from hiding as I understand it, until Israel
is removed and ALL Jews are killed.
This is the Shia belief and they MUST do it or the last days
will not come.
I think I have that right. Either way they are run by Madmen !
Yuyutsu may be able to elucidate.

Israel tried to take out Ayatollah Khamenei, but they couldn't find him Israels Defence Minister says, interesting the US is now embroiled with political assassinations.

http://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1938309393600159962

Israel wanted regime change and wanted to reinstall the Shah's son.
They named their operation 'Rising Lion' after the Shah's flag.

http://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1938567154963779876

Hi Bezza,
And Jews don't have their own end of times aims and beliefs?
Whose came first?

You could go here and see what this guy has to say if you're that interested.
http://www.youtube.com/@SheikhImranHosein/videos

I admit it when I'm wrong mhaze but do you ever admit it when I'm right.
As soon as info came to light that you were right about decoy planes I conceded voluntarily.

Jake does know a lot about Palestine, way more than me.
I followed him years ago, then I think he took a break for a while.
His video was immediately after the attacks, when no news had yet been published.

You also need to learn that finding out the truth of things is sometimes a process, I reserve the right to change my mind on a particular issue when more information comes to light.

"You shouldn't get to worked up over calls for regime change or unconditional surrender."
US and Israeli policy hasn't changed, it's the only thing the US does patiently play a long game on, Israel got hit pretty hard with the hypersonics, and was running out of interceptors.
They ran out of 20 years of production with of interceptors for the arrow system in the 12 days. I watched a video yesterday, maybe the day before which laid out the cost and production capacity of some of these items used.

When Israels Defense Minister Israel Katz says they tried to take out Khomeini, and their Operation was named after the Shahs flag, and all the Israeli's themselves say this should be Israel's aim, making it the politically popular position, I'll accept them at their word and I think their intentions were clear.

Trumps a wind sock, he'll say one thing and contradict himself hours later depending on who he's spoken to.

"Just as an aside, there are now stories of Qatar brokering a deal to end the Hamas war with four Arab nations jointing running Gaza, all hostages released and all Hamas leaders going into exile."
- I haven't heard about it, but I did hear a report that said 400k dead Palestinians, mostly non combatants, women and kids.
Shameful.

"Jake does know a lot about Palestine, way more than me."

Jake Morphonios is an antisemite from way back. His posts are full of assertions, unsupported by any semblance of data, about how Jews control the US Congress various US presidents, etc. Its Protocols of the Elders of Zion stuff dressed up as research. He has been seen to be a Holocaust denier again based on mere assertion rather than any evidence. For this reason he has previously been suspended from various sites.

Now if you want to place your faith in such a person and accept without thought his assertions such as the 1000 killed figure, then that's on you. But if you think providing copious links to his idiocy makes your posts any more believable or any more viable, then you're badly mistaken.

"When Israels Defense Minister Israel Katz says they tried to take out Khomeini...."

I've tried and failed to teach you about the fog of war. You also need to learn that, during war (especially during war) much of what the military and politicians say is meant to assist the war effort rather than convey the truth. Saying they wanted to take out Khomeini was one such example. It terrified the Iranian leadership and badly disrupted the chain of command. If they really wanted to take out some barely compos octogenarian, they would have done it as they did with so many of the far more consequential underlings. It was a tactic rather than a war aim. The problem with changing the regime in Tehran is that they don;t know what it'll change into. Best the devil you know, especially when that devil has been beaten into submission.

"Jake Morphonios is an antisemite from way back."
So what? Anyone who stands with Israel after what they've been doing... well I don't even have words for those sub-humans.

IDF Leadership Orders Soldiers To Do The UNTHINKABLE
http://youtu.be/a-WNcP7Qkcw

This stuff is unconscionable,
Wheres the respect for human rights?
Tell me how this is ok, and this is the same attitude these people have shown for decades.
Jake values human life.

You hate Islam for there extremism, but much of it is anger for Israels wars and treatment of Muslims?
You all look the other way.

Move on, nothing to see here.
You who stand with Israel, stand for nothing.
- except murder and genocide.

'about how Jews control the US Congress various US presidents'
- we've been through this numerous times by people more credentialed than you or Jake.

1000 Palestinians... If I could email him and ask for a source I would.

"Saying they wanted to take out Khomeini was one such example."
- You would call it fog of war, the other 99% of people would call it an admission.

"It terrified the Iranian leadership and badly disrupted the chain of command."
- Yes, for about 1 day until the missiles kept coming?
Do you have any idea how much damage was inflicted?

"If they really wanted to take out some barely compos octogenarian, they would have done it as they did with so many of the far more consequential underlings."
Don't kid yourself, even Trump said they had great people protecting him.

"It was a tactic rather than a war aim. The problem with changing the regime in Tehran is that they don;t know what it'll change into."
- They want to put the Shahs son back into power, even Yuyutsu said why not?

"Best the devil you know, especially when that devil has been beaten into submission."
Israel was the one who got smacked hardest in this stoush.

INTEL Roundtable w/ Johnson & McGovern : Weekly Wrap 27-June
http://www.youtube.com/live/rzIaCNc8HBA

Above - 2 CIA Intelligence analysts...
This is the part when you demonstrate your selective hearing...

Werll AC had a look at that link but he was not talking about
the 12th Iman, he was just talking about an army standing shoulder
to shoulder.

You appeared to have missed my point;
The Shia MUST kill all Jews and unbelievers and destroy what
we collectively call "the WEST".
It does not matter if they are defeated or not the aim is not changed.
They only have one objective, to kill all unbelievers.
It really is that simple, and I do not want to be destroyed, do you ?
Do you think there is a place in Paradise for you ?
They are not interested in sharing the planet, they
want it all for themselves.
Does not leave much choice for the rest of us.

Dimtry Orlov says Trump tried to buy Iranian centrifuges

Dmitry Orlov: NATO is DONE
http://www.youtube.com/live/asW1AM5G_go

AI Overview

The United States requires uranium enrichment capabilities using centrifuges for several strategic reasons, including national security and energy independence. While commercial enrichment is currently limited, the US government is exploring options to establish domestic production, potentially using the American Centrifuge technology.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. National Security:

Fuel for Advanced Reactors:
Modern nuclear reactors, including small modular reactors (SMRs), require higher-enriched uranium, which can be produced with centrifuge technology.

Energy Security:
Having domestic enrichment capabilities reduces reliance on foreign suppliers, particularly Russia, and strengthens the US's energy independence.

Nonproliferation:
A domestic enrichment capability can help the US monitor and control the production of enriched uranium for both civilian and military purposes.

Tritium Production:
Centrifuges are needed to produce tritium, a key component of nuclear weapons, for maintaining the US nuclear deterrent.
Naval Reactors:
The US Navy's nuclear-powered ships require enriched uranium, and domestic enrichment ensures a secure fuel supply.

2. Current Situation:

Limited Commercial Enrichment:
The US currently has only one operating commercial centrifuge enrichment plant, Urenco USA (UUSA), located in New Mexico, according to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

Import Dependence:
The US imports a significant portion of its enriched uranium from Russia and other countries.
High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium (HALEU):
The US is also exploring the production of HALEU, which requires more advanced enrichment capabilities, for advanced reactors.

3. Potential Solutions:

American Centrifuge Technology:
Centrus Energy Corp. has been developing the American Centrifuge technology, which is considered a strong candidate for restoring domestic enrichment capabilities.

Centrifuge Manufacturing:
Centrus is working to restart centrifuge manufacturing and expand its enrichment capacity.

Government Support:
The US government has been funding research and development in centrifuge technology to ensure a secure and reliable fuel supply for the future.

In conclusion, the US needs to develop domestic uranium enrichment capabilities, particularly with centrifuge technology, to ensure its energy security, national security, and nonproliferation goals

Dear Bezza,

Sorry I don't have the time to look at these things these days.

While the war was going, I was concerned about my family in Israel.
Fortunately no one was hurt.
Now that it is over, I barely listen to the news, or care.

I am sorry for the Iranian people and I wish someone could release them from that cruel regime of the Ayatollahs.
Israel, apparently was not up to it, and that is sad.
Trump is not interested either.

Had the oppressive regime been changed in Iran and a democracy established, then who cares how many nukes they had, if they still even wanted them.

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Dear Critic,

Yes, Israel has its own fanatic Messianic Rabbis that are no better than Iran's Ayatollahs - and having my family subjected to them scares me more than nuclear bombs.

Thanks Yuyutsu, I suspect many here have connected
the Iranian need to have nuclear weapons to MAD !
Remember MAD ?
Mutually Assured Deterrence.
People think that is why Iran wants nuclear weapons.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
They want to use them to destroy Israel the US and
everyone else, then the 12th Iman will emerge from
hiding and all the believers will be immediately in Paradise.

Thats it ! QED

Hi AC,

"Anyone who stands with Israel after what they've been doing... well I don't even have words for those sub-humans."

What I have trouble rationalising is how nations that treat their own populations horribly (e.g. Russian and Palestinian authorities using people as human shields or for meat wave attacks), yet you believe the foreign actions of these nations to be motivated by their humanitarian concerns, such as the Russian massacre of civilians in Bucha.

If they treat their own like dirt then why would they regard people elsewhere more highly?

As for me being subhuman, my opinion is that the IDF is within its rights in responding to militants armed for the sole purpose of killing Israelis and destroying Israel.

Everyone has an opinion. Equating an opinion with evil is the basis of authoritarian regimes. People telling you that you are a bad person because of the opinions you hold are the ones to watch out for.

""Jake Morphonios is an antisemite from way back."
So what? Anyone who stands with Israel after what they've been doing..."

Its way more than that. Morphonios claims the Holocaust never happened, that Zyklon B was only used to kill mice in the Nazi detention camps, that Jews control the US Congress and world banking. Its not just being opposed to Israel's policies, its full blown hatred of all things Jewish and a determination to see only evil in everything remotely attached to Jews. If you want to rely on that type of thinking to inform your view of the world, that's on you

"Its way more than that. Morphonios claims the Holocaust never happened, that Zyklon B was only used to kill mice in the Nazi detention camps, that Jews control the US Congress and world banking. Its not just being opposed to Israel's policies, its full blown hatred of all things Jewish and a determination to see only evil in everything remotely attached to Jews. If you want to rely on that type of thinking to inform your view of the world, that's on you."

Who cares?
I've heard plenty of stuff too, like there was no residue for Zyklon B found in the 'gas chambers', that it was used to treat typhus, and that Auschwitz had everything from it's own band, hairdressers, postal service, swimming pools, and that to kill 6 million they'd have had to be killing 5000 people a day, and that there weren't even 6 million Jews in Europe to begin with... Not to mention some Jews assisted the Nazis.
I wasn't there and what's that go to do with the news being reported right now?
IDF being ordered to fire on Palestinians on sight when aid is closed, using mortars on them.

IDF Leadership Orders Soldiers To Do The UNTHINKABLE
http://youtu.be/a-WNcP7Qkcw

You're not interested in the truth unless it suits your own biased beliefs.

You ignore what's going on right now, even defend it but then try to use stuff from 80+ years ago to rubbish others.
When you start accepting what is happening right now I'll start caring about what you say until then your biased sub-human opinions don't matter so stfu nitpicker.

Shite mate, if Hitler said the sky was blue you'd argue the point just because he said it.
If the Holocaust was true it makes what Jews are doing right now even worse because THEY of all people SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

How many people seeking food were killed yesterday, or the day before?
Or the day before that?
That's not a statistic that matters to you.

He knows more about that stuff about this than you, because you dgf about those peoples lives.

Hi Fester,

"What I have trouble rationalising is how nations that treat their own populations horribly (e.g. Russian and Palestinian authorities using people as human shields or for meat wave attacks), yet you believe the foreign actions of these nations to be motivated by their humanitarian concerns, such as the Russian massacre of civilians in Bucha."

Bucha was a false flag, Russians killed a few citizens with heavy artillery but it was Ukrainians going door to door after Russians moved out that were killing Pro-Russian Ukrainian to blame on Russia.

Russia never used meat-wave tactics, not even with Wagner.
Right now Russia uses 3's and 6's.
They send 3 men to take out a position where 5 to 11 Ukrainians are dug in, they use surveillance drones to tell them where to go as they move forward, they use kamikaze drones to attack the position and prevent reinforcements coming to help the Ukrainians, and the bring n 6 men to replace the 3 and hold the position as they move forward, and they are moving forward all across the line of contact. Sometimes the 3 are found by Ukrainian drones and killed.

Palestinians are no different than the Israelis or the Ukrainians they place military targets in civilian areas.

"If the Holocaust was true...."

And there you have it. His hatred of all things Jewish is such that he will even deny the most established of facts. Little wonder that one is prepared to make up stories about the number of Palestinians killed in the West Bank and the other is prepared to believe it, no questions asked.

There you have it alright.
Bringing up stuff from a million years ago, to try and muddy the waters and distract attention away from the crimes Israel commits right now, and daily.

Question: How many Jews did the NAZI's kill and wound yesterday?
Answer: None.

Question: How many Palestinians did Israel kill yesterday?
Answer: 47 and wounded hundreds, and on an on it goes.

Question: As for 'making up stories', how many journalists did Israel assassinate?
(along with their families?)
Answer: Well over 200 when I last had details about 6 months ago.
So who's going to even report the real story when there's a policy of shooting the messengers?

Your blind support of Israel, sees no civilian casualties, or when it does seeks to justify them.
All you do is distract attention away from the real story to support your own biased and lop-sided view of the conflict.

As long as you don't see the Palestinian casualties, then you'll never see a reason why the Palestinians fight back, and you'll always be a close-minded brainless idiot.

I'm afraid you missed the point there AC. Or the point missed you. Its hard to tell when you start acting like the verbal equivalent of a whirling dervish.

Your 'source' (such as it is) is a Holocaust denier. You are a Holocaust denier. This tells us all we need to know about you ability to understand the past and therefore your ability to understand the present

No it doesn't, your point's irrelevant.
It merely shows that you relate to the past to decide the present.
You're no less of a Holocaust denier as you claim myself or others to be when ignore the crimes of modern day Israel and the plans of actions of Zionists before and after 1948.

And like I said earlier, you're the one whose pathetic.
If Hitler said the sky was blue, you'd argue the point simply because he said it.

I'm not denying that Hitler had grievance with the Jews.
Nobody wants to talk about why he felt that way.

I'm not denying that Jews suffered under Hitler, but I question the extent of the claimed events, but I wasn't there so don't know the full truth of it.

But 27 million Russians died in WWII for more than Jews.
And we don't talk about the Holodomor or dozens of other horrible events in history, including the wars of the M/E instigated by people loyal to Israeli interests for the last 3 decades, that continue to this day.

You carry on about past events, when current events are happening right now, that you refuse to even acknowledge, so don't point the finger at me.
YOu can't bring the Jews of the NAZI era back to live, but you're complicit, by your silence in allowing current events to continue without any care, so don't tell me you care about innocent peoples lives when you don't.

You're just as guilty as the NAZI's themselves for not speaking out against crimes against humanity.

This is a rhetorical trick I’ve seen before, Armchair Critic:

When someone calls out Holocaust denial, pivot away by pointing to present-day Israeli actions - as if historical fact-checking is just a smokescreen to ignore Palestinian suffering.

That’s not how this works. You can hold Israel to account and challenge Holocaust distortion at the same time. In fact, the two issues should have nothing to do with each other.

But here’s the tell: if you weren’t dabbling in Holocaust minimisation, why the scramble to reframe the conversation as “look what Israel’s doing today”? You could’ve simply said, “Of course I believe the Holocaust happened.” But you didn’t.

Instead, you invoked David Cole - a known Holocaust revisionist - and repeated the “dancing Israelis” trope, both long associated with attempts to cast doubt on well-established history. That’s what prompted the response, not some conspiracy to protect Israel.

Ironically, if you genuinely want the world to care about atrocities in Gaza, leaning on people who deny other atrocities doesn’t strengthen your case - it sabotages it.

What you write is correct John. But that wasn't my point. AC relies on a series of outlandish YouTube and X bloggers who fed him all sorts of unverified and unverifiable gumph which he accepts without thought or question.

One of those 'sources' has been wrong so often that he had to change his online name to start a clean slate.... and continued to say the same bogus rubbish.

And the other that he relies on most often has written extensively about how the Holocaust was/is a hoax. Again all based on unverified and unverifiable gumph. Swimming pools at Auschwitz for God's sake!!

I've already identified a series of errors by the sources that AC has nonetheless accepted and refuses to reconsider. Things like claims that the 7/10 attacks by Hamas were justified because the Jewish settlers killed 1000 Palestinians in the prior year. Claims that were easily debunked by reference to figures from various UN agencies and Amnesty International.

I've been trying to make the point that if your sources are this bad that they spout assertions that make the Protocols of the Elders of Zion look sane, then you need new sources.

The sad part is that the Holocaust denial is the least egregious of these errors

Dear Critic,

«I'm not denying that Jews suffered under Hitler, but I question the extent of the claimed events, but I wasn't there so don't know the full truth of it.»

Wow! So you are writing to us from Gaza! ! !

We were told that there is no internet there, obviously we were wrong!

Understood, mhaze. Holocaust denial just really gets up my nose. I figured you had the broader misinformation angle covered pretty well.

Hi John Daysh,
"That’s not how this works. You can hold Israel to account and challenge Holocaust distortion at the same time. In fact, the two issues should have nothing to do with each other."
- That's exactly what I said mhaze's point was irrelevant.

The rhetorical trick was on mhazes part, he was the one who changed the subject to draw attention away from present events and link them to the past.

"and repeated the 'dancing Israelis' trope"
What has 9/11 got to do with anything, apart from being the event that started all these M/E wars that continue to today.
Who on earth is David Cole?

FYI, they were dancing Israeli's, do you question this?
'The White Van' ABC News 20/20 Preview on Urban Moving Systems and 9/11 Hi-Fivers (Dancing Israelis)
http://youtu.be/fOiCMMMeXE8

"leaning on people who deny other atrocities doesn’t strengthen your case - it sabotages it".
- Explain?

mhaze could've spent the last 21 months living and flying surveillance drones in Gaza and he'd still deny it, some people are just that way inclined when it comes to Israel and it's interests.

Hi mhaze,
"AC relies on a series of outlandish YouTube and X bloggers who fed him all sorts of unverified and unverifiable gumph which he accepts without thought or question."

- You get your news from the perpetrators.

"One of those 'sources' has been wrong so often that he had to change his online name to start a clean slate"
- He's so wrong that he was talking about the policy paper this entire thread speaks about a decade ago?
The one ttbn just 'found' and was enlightened with by George Christensen?
And he changed his 'online name' to his real name?
- You make me question if there's a cure for idiocy.

"Things like claims that the 7/10 attacks by Hamas were justified because the Jewish settlers killed 1000 Palestinians in the prior year."

International law recognizes the right of people under occupation to resist their oppressors, including through armed struggle, particularly when they are denied self-determination. This right is closely tied to the principle of self-determination, which is widely recognized in situations of colonial domination, foreign occupation, and regimes denying political participation, moron.

Palestinian's had every right under international law to take the fight to as many IDF as they wanted to, but I don't support attacks on civilians / non-combatants, reports of mass rapes, beheadings and babies in ovens were lies to sell the war to the gullible.
- And Israel has no problem murdering civillians, we're told they're the most moral army in the world. [Rolls eyes]

Auschwitz Swimming pool?
http://www.dreamstime.com/stock-image-auschwitz-poland-nazi-swimming-pool-image15439981

Hi Yuyutsu,
Why are you talking in riddles?

"That's exactly what I said mhaze's point was irrelevant."

See. Now I can't tell if you don't see the relevance because its beyond you or refuse to acknowledge it because you don't want it to be true.

So again. Almost all of your claims here are based on unverified and unverifiable claims from bloggers and Youtubers who provide no evidence but mere assertion. But I've been able to show that those claims that can be assessed (such as the decoy planes or the 1000 Palestinian deaths claims) are obviously wrong. I've also shown that your main source is a Holocaust denier whose whole persona is based on unrelenting, but unproven, attacks on Jews or Israel or their allies.

That's the relevance of pointing out the Holocaust denial.

But it gets worse. Not only do you fall for these unverified and unverifiable assertions from clearly compromised activists, you then present these assertions as established fact and assail anyone who disputes that as being uninformed and Jewish shrills.

Armchair Critic,

You’re trying to shift the blame onto mhaze for “changing the subject,” yet it was you who brought Holocaust denialism into the thread, unprovoked, by referencing David Cole and casting doubt on well-documented atrocities. That’s why I said, “that’s not how this works.”

Your strategy, it appears, is to bounce between:

- Minimising the Holocaust ("I question the extent of the claimed events"),
- Then saying you’re not denying it ("I wasn’t there so don’t know the full truth"),
- Then accusing others of using it to distract from Gaza.

Now you're asking who David Cole is?

That’s interesting, because the arguments you’ve been using (like referencing the Auschwitz swimming pool) are drawn directly from his playbook. He’s a well-known Holocaust revisionist, whose claims have been thoroughly debunked. If you weren’t aware of that connection, maybe reconsider who you’re echoing.

As for the “Dancing Israelis” clip? Yes, I’ve seen it. It’s been passed around in 9/11 truther circles for years, and the claims that have spawned from it don’t hold up. If that’s what you’re leaning on as proof, it says a lot about the quality of your sources.

The same goes for the Auschwitz swimming pool photo. You’ve clearly never asked why it was there (hint: not for mass recreation). That image gets passed around by deniers who want to imply Auschwitz was some kind of leisure camp, which is both false and grotesque.

Finally, if you’re invoking international law (an area I'm qualified in), start by citing actual legal sources rather than throwing around slogans and calling people “morons.” Armed struggle is not a blanket excuse for massacres, and cherry-picking laws to justify attacks while denying others’ atrocities is textbook propaganda.

Hi John Daysh,
"You’re trying to shift the blame onto mhaze for “changing the subject,” yet it was you who brought Holocaust denialism into the thread, unprovoked, by referencing David Cole and casting doubt on well-documented atrocities. That’s why I said, “that’s not how this works."
Mate, I wouldn't commented on the 'Holocaust' if he hadn't brought it up.
He brings up a topic attempting to use it to bring doubt upon a YouTube content creators material, I say what's that got to do with anything, and then I'm the one whose in the wrong.
That's backwards logic.

"He’s a well-known Holocaust revisionist, whose claims have been thoroughly debunked. If you weren’t aware of that connection, maybe reconsider who you’re echoing."
I don't know David Cole and I don't care to know David Cole.

"As for the 'Dancing Israelis' clip? Yes, I’ve seen it. It’s been passed around in 9/11 truther circles for years, and the claims that have spawned from it don’t hold up. If that’s what you’re leaning on as proof, it says a lot about the quality of your sources."
- So if the FBI stated it they're wrong too?

I never commented on the purpose of the pool.
I merely commented on it's existence, and I just threw it out there as it was something I read or heard years ago, then googled it, and yes a 'pool' existed.

"Finally, if you’re invoking international law (an area I'm qualified in), start by citing actual legal sources rather than throwing around slogans and calling people “morons.” Armed struggle is not a blanket excuse for massacres, and cherry-picking laws to justify attacks while denying others’ atrocities"

"Armed struggle is not a blanket excuse for massacres"
Tell that to the Israeli's then cite your own 'qualified and relevant international law' sources.
Palestinians have every right to kill as many enemy combatants as they want while under occupation

They have a right to fight their oppressors.
And whilst the Israel wished to keep Palestinians under occupation and the US has policies to overthrow sovereign countries, it's no wonder they say Death to Israel and Death to America.

Me personally, I'm just opposed to sanctions and overthrows.
And sick of Western countries being filled with foreigners as a result of Netanyahu / Neoconservatives wars for Israeli interests, pissed off Muslims filled with hate and looking for retribution after wars waged against them.

Dear Critic,

«Why are you talking in riddles?»

Because I considered you intelligent enough to understand.

So here is the spoiler:

You told Mhaze: «I'm not denying that Jews suffered under Hitler, but I question the extent of the claimed events, but I wasn't there so don't know the full truth of it.»

Yes, quite fortunately none of us here today on OLO were there in Europe under Hitler.

Well, you have been telling us a lot about the extent of civilian sufferings in Gaza, including details, numbers and places, so assuming you keep to your own high standards of information accuracy, we must conclude that you were there to report it first hand, and given there has been no coming in or out of Gaza for quite a while, we may also further conclude that you are there now, right there in Gaza where it is all happening.

Please take care!

How many journalists were killed in the Holocaust Yuyutsu,
Did they have mobile phones with cameras, and internet?
I don't need to be in Gaza to see the footage, it's on the nightly news.

227, looks like that's the new number.

At least 30 dead in Israeli strike on internet cafe in Gaza popular with journalists
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-01/israel-attacks-gaza-cafe-internet-killing-journalist/105480502

"An internet cafe in Gaza frequented by journalists was targeted by the Israeli military, killing at least 30 people including Palestinian photojournalist Ismail Abu Hatab.
At least 227 journalists have been killed in Gaza since October 7, 2023, according to the UN Human Rights Office, and it remains the deadliest place in the world to be a journalist.
The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) and Reporters without Borders both allege that Israel is directly targeting journalists in Gaza."

On and on it goes.
Endless death and destruction.

Move along mhaze, nothing to see here, right?

Dear Critic,

Journalists are not the only or best source of true information.
Nor are cameras in this age of cheating and AI manipulations.
Then also, not everyone who claims to be a journalist actually is,
nor are journalists necessarily objective without some alterior motive.

There is plenty of solid evidence for the Jewish holocaust in Europe under the German Nazi regime - much of it documented by the Nazi Germans themselves.

But this does not pass your original stringent criteria of having to be there in person as the only way to believe something.

You have been moving the goal-posts.

"Move along mhaze, nothing to see here, right?"

You're never going to understand this AC but I'll say it anyway.

People are dying in a war in Gaza. No one is disputing that. But that fact doesn't excuse, justify or encourage the creation of stories out of whole cloth by people who are now proven to be inordinately, incoherently and irretrievably anti-Jew.

Your sources made up stories about how many people were killed by Jewish settlers and they made up stories about how the US lied about the bombing attack being secret. And you, as usual, fell hook, line and sinker for those fabrications and then attacked anyone who didn't similarly fall for it. None of that, none of that is justified by utterly separate facts about the deaths in the war in Gaza.

Asserting that, because people died in Gaza, that gives you carte blanche to fabricate lies about the war elsewhere is childish, dishonest and frankly insane.

"On and on it goes. Endless death and destruction."

I agree AC. Hamas needs to surrender immediately to bring the deaths to an end. I'm sure you agree!!.

BTW the journalist killed was a Hamas mouth-piece who was, it seems, associated with the 7/10 invasion of Israel. And the café was bombed because it was being used by Hamas operatives who as usual were hiding behind their human shields.

Palestinians have a legitimate right to fight their oppression.
Get that through your head.

Hamas is legitimate they are the government and a military wing Al Qassam, only a handful of countries in the west recognise Hamas as terrorists.

One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.
I don't support Hamas, because I don't support Islam.

The attack on October 7 was a raid on Israels military bases, others groups like Islamic resistance went and did things but all the stories about babies in ovens and mass rapes are made up to sell a war, and Israel killed many of their on people on Oct 7 under the Hannibal doctrine.

Palestinian Holocaust has been going on long before the Nakba, the day Israelis celebrate, you want to breed hate, do what Israel does and the export all the Muslims to the West and make them our hate and resentment filled problems.

Meanwhile rich and influential banker Jews profit from war driven market volatility.

Wake the hell up.

Dear Critic,

«Palestinians have a legitimate right to fight their oppression.»

This so much reminds me of the scene with the goat:

She was tied with a rope to a fence so she doesn't get lost or eat the flowers on the front porch, and she had a large paddock to roam and enjoy. Instead she went round and round some branches, tangling the rope as it became shorter and shorter till she could no longer move and became quite distressed.

When I found her like that, it took a while to untangle her, walking her backward to loosen the rope while having to hold the horns strongly because she resisted so much.

Yes, they may have every right, but they are not doing themselves any favour, nor the Israeli peace camp which tries to help them and whom they murder instead, not recognising the difference between their friends and the Messianic Jewish settlers, their common enemy.

Who is murdering who Yuyutsu?
How many starving Palestinians were murdered yesterday trying to get food?

"She was tied with a rope to a fence so she doesn't get lost or eat the flowers on the front porch, and she had a large paddock to roam and enjoy. Instead she went round and round some branches, tangling the rope as it became shorter and shorter till she could no longer move and became quite distressed."

Build a fence to keep the sheep in, cut the rope and let the sheep be free to roam about there and have a happier life without getting lost, and your flowers will be safe on the front porch.

I told you long ago, come to a fair and equitable compromise, let the Palestinians have their own state, and if either side decides to throw a stone across the border I will denounce that person or side for causing trouble and jeopardising a peaceful existence for all.

Of course you can decide not to do that, and the innocent dead will continue to pile up while the world looks on in horror, all the while hate filled people shall be exported along with their hate and resentment to foreign lands.

Dear Critic,

«Who is murdering who Yuyutsu?»

The list is long:

Russians murder civilian Ukrainians as well as Russian conscripts.
Houthis murder civilian Yemenites.
In Africa I'm told, so many tribes murder each other.
The Myanmar military Junta murders civilians.
Criminal gangs in Mexico and South-America murder innocent civilians all the time.
Look, I don't follow the news much to list them all.
Well we know of course that Jewish settlers in the West Bank murder the native Arabs there.
And the Israeli government, apart from Gazans, starving or otherwise, also murders Israeli conscripts by sending them to Gaza to die.
And apart from October 7th, 2023, scores of Israeli hostages were murdered in Gazan captivity too.

However, the peace-loving Israelis from the Kibbutzim, who overwhelmingly support the "Palestinian" cause; and the Hippy-like youths attending an overnight drug+dance party near Israel's Gazan border, THEY MURDERED NOBODY - they are just being murdered by Netanyahu on one side and Hamas on the other over a war that is not theirs.

«Build a fence to keep the sheep in»

It was a goat, not a sheep. I also happened to shepherd sheep for one day and let me tell you, sheep behave so much more rationally...
Anyway, I was renting at the time and both the goat and the flowers belonged to my landlord, which I was asked to watch over in lieu of some of the rent, so I was not at liberty to cut the rope and let her go, nor to build a fence.

«let the Palestinians have their own state»

Any time, Sir. It is not me who holds them back, nor my family, nor those murdered on October 7th and the tortured hostages.

«all the while hate filled people shall be exported along with their hate and resentment to foreign lands.»

Exactly: America exports its hate-filled lunatic Messianic Jews to settle the West Bank and infiltrate Israel's government.

Doesn't that bother you?
But of course, it is my family which must suffer their terror, not you sitting comfortably in Australia to watch social media all day long.

Fair enough, Yuyutsu

Israel steps up deadly bombardment of Gaza before ceasefire talks
'Officials say about 90 people killed since Wednesday night as Israeli security cabinet prepares for meeting'
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/03/israel-bombardment-offensive-gaza-hamas-ceasefire-talks

Reports of mass protests in major cities in Iran. The protests are based on funeral processions of those killed in the last week by the Iranian authorities. Chants that roughly translate to "America isn't our enemy, the government is".

Reports that over 700 have been killed or arrested in a major crack-down on dissidents.

Mossad is saying they are being contacted by increasing numbers of IRGC members looking for help in rising up against the regime. Its hard to tell if that's true or just Mossad's way of creating distrust within the IRGC.

There is a ceasefire but that doesn't mean the pressure on the Iranian regime is lifted.