Hi AC,

You talk about false reporting from the IAEA, but then you say that the Iranians still have all their enriched uranium along with Russia's blessing to continue the development of a nuclear weapon.

I agree with you about treating Russian comments with skepticism, which is why I think they were ratting on the Iranians to America.

Khamenei would not need to hide in a bunker were he not supplying terrorists and firing missiles at Israel. Iran has suffered for his belligerence.

Hi Fester,
No, you have to look at the bigger picture.
The US and Donald Trump can't be trusted at their word.
And they have a policy in place to overthrow the country, hence ttbn's reason for starting this thread.
And they've been doing this stuff to Iran probably long before the 1953 ousting of Mohammad Moseddeq to install the Shah and loot the countries oil.
Certainly the US has never forgiven Iran after the 1979 capture of the US Embassy in Tehran.

The Iranians were at least somewhat lead to believe they were still negotiating when Israel launched airstikes, which Trump boasted of knowing about in advance.
So if I was the Ayatolloh I'd he hiding too right now, better safe than sorry.
Trumps America can't be trusted.

Like I said Medvedev always has extreme comments, while Putin himself is always very measured in what he says.
Maybe keeps them guessing, but I wouldn't blame the Iranians right now if the Ayatollah (a religious cleric who can be replaced) decided to reverse the fatwa on nuclear weapons after both US and Israeli attack.
Look at North Korea, why aren't they invaded or overthrown?
Simple, they possess nukes.

North Korea helped supply Iran's centrifuges.
I'm certain Kim Jong Un, has offered Iran nuclear warheads
- A middle finger salute to America, who are also trying to mess with that country.
At the very least, it creates some leverage.
And I think Trump and the US weren't expecting it, and it gave them a little cause to back off.

"I agree with you about treating Russian comments with skepticism, which is why I think they were ratting on the Iranians to America."
- The Russians aren't going to rat on the Iranians, they have defensive treaties and are a part of the BRICS block.
Doing so would undermine their own interests, and to add to this the US may as well be at war with Russia using Ukraine as it's proxy.

[Cont.]

Israel is the one who has been smacked around, and faced something they've never faced in modern history and the people are in shock.
But the media will sell us all a winning narrative as they always do.

I'm glad Israel got smacked around a little, it had it coming.
But I don't really wish to see the conflict continue or innocent lives lost.
2 wrongs don't really make a right, but Israel had it coming from it's attacks on foreign countries and genocide of the Palestinians.
People are still being killed daily just trying to get food.

AC wrote: "When was the last time any of you provided a link to substantiate your positions?"

Yes AC you insert lots of links. But, and please sit down when you read this, quantity doesn't trump quality.

Yes, you view lots of 'x' posts and YTubes, and link them here. But if they are rubbish posts then having lots of them doesn't fix that problem.

In the last week you've told us via your links that:

1. Iran shot down three IDF planes and captured the pilots on the first day.
2. That Jewish settlers killed 1000 Palestinians in the year prior to 23/7.
3. the planes that attacked Fordow flew west from the US over the Pacific when in fact they flew east over the Atlantic.

All wrong. All from your sources. All easily checked and found to be wrong.

But you believed it because you wanted it to be true.

Getting all your information from biased posters whose main aim is to encourage you to watch their next posts is really a fools errand. It was easy to see where the US planes flew just by looking at the official sites or reading any number of quality newspapers. Its easy to see how many Palestinians were killed by just going to the reports from those on the ground like Amnesty or the UN. Its easy to deduce that no pilots were captured based on the fact that the Iranians didn't parade them before the world's media. When the dogs don't bark it means something (Hounds of the Baskervilles).

I get where you're coming from AC. You have these go-to sources who tell you today what you want to hear and you don't care a jot that what they told you yesterday turned out to be utter rot.

But I don't work like that.

Let me explain to you how YTube works for posters or content-providers. They put up a video and hope that people watch it. The more who watch it and the longer they watch, the more they get paid by YTube (which is why you get 5 hour videos that say what could have been said in 20 minutes = longer videos means more revenue). So the so-called content providers want to find a section of the public who will regularly watch their posts and generate revenue for them and YTube via the advertising. So they tell a subset of people what they want to hear in the hope that they'll continue watching and come back and watch the next post.

Tell people that Russia is winning and those who want that to be true will turn up again. Tell them that the US military failed to keep their mission over Iran secret and they'll (1) believe it because they want it to be true and (2) turn up to watch the next instalment.

And these content-providers know that people won't notice and/or care if the claims turn out to be wrong. They'll just keep coming back as you keep going back to people who have told you all sorts of whoppers over the years.

That's all within reason. Sometimes they make so many mistakes that even their clueless gullible followers start to fall away as happened to Tony Cartalucci a few years back. So many errors that even loyal true believers stopped watching. Solution? Changed his name to Brian Berletic and people like you just signed up all over again.

YouTube is useful in so many ways. But getting unbiased information on current events isn't one of them, particularly if, as in your case, you aren't searching for truth but searching for confirmation bias.

Number 1. I haven't seen any definitive proof of the wreckage or captured pilots
Number 2. I'm yet to figure out Jakes source, but I'll try to contact him and ask if I can
Number 3. Don't have any evidence of that either, but the timeline Jake laid out fits.

Ultimately it matters not, Israel still got smacked around the worst it ever has in modern history and I'm told it was them begging for a ceasefire.
But from what I understand, neither side really wanted to continue.