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Trump runs wild and trips over domestic inflation and disinformation about Ukraine

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http://president.gov.ua/en/news/olena-zelenska-zaklikala-uchasnikiv-mizhnarodnogo-forumu-v-l-96253
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 22 February 2025 9:43:07 AM
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Armchair Critic,

You asked what is my family and me doing for Ukraine?

We're with Intelligence. But at the moment
we're all working under cover.

I suspect your support of Russia also speaks for
itself.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 22 February 2025 10:28:35 AM
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"I told you all over 18mths ago that Ukraine was going to lose."

Yes. You also told us that Odessa would fall, that the capture of Bakhmut would led to a general breakout, that the Ukrainian incursion into Kursk would be reversed etc etc.

If you predict everything, then sometimes you'll be right. And the AC only remembers those things!

Lose? Define lose.

At the beginning of this I said I hoped both would lose, and so it has come to pass. Russia started this whole thing because they didn't want NATO on their doorstep. Well NATO is now in Finland which is their backdoor step. They started the war claiming to have the best army in Europe, now revealed as a paper tiger, barely able to hold their own against a minnow like Ukraine. Their Kiev offensive was a disaster
forced into abject retreat. They've lost enormous numbers of their youth to both the war and emigration to avoid being sent to the meat grinder. They've become the effect vassal of China. They've lost all ability to control their overseas empire being forced for example to leave Syria without even a whimper.

None of Putin's original war aims have been realised other than gaining a bit of territory that is so degraded that it'll take a generation, and enormous sums that Russia doesn't have, to bring back to anything remotely like productive.

Ukraine has likewise lost the cream of its next generation. They will eventually have to surrender territory, land it should have and could have given up in 2022. When Trump says they started the war, this is what is meant. They had the option in 2022 of giving up what they will now be forced to give up and decided to instead try to hold land that was Russian in all but name.

Trump will bring all this lunacy to an end OR the parties will continue to argue and fight over a strip of degraded real estate that is useless to all concerned... in which case the US will wash its hands of the whole debacle.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 22 February 2025 10:51:16 AM
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Foxy writes: "We should all refuse to allow the Ukrainians or any
Europeans to come under the control of the Soviet regime."

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There is no 'Soviet regime". Hasn't been one for over thirty years. The ignorance is painful to see.

Banjo: "It’s been 108 days since the election, and he has still not settled it. "

Well for 71 of those days he had no power. Indeed under US law it would have been illegal for him to get involved in peace talks. If he had then people like Banjo, just regurgitating anti-Trump talking points would have been decrying the breaking of the law. But that's how Trump Derangement Syndrome works - if he did it its wrong, if he didn't do it its wrong.

Anyone who thought he meant he'd literally stop it in a day is a fool.
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" Russia and the UK signed on to that enthusiastically as well."

Yes everyone signed up. But only the US is, apparently, required to adhere to their word. The world moves on but some people don't.

Banjo: "that the US had given $350 billion to Ukraine – [false: US gave $67 billion in weapons & $31.5 billion in budget support]"

Those numbers are woefully out of date. Official numbers for aid since 2022 is about $180 Billion. Trump didn't put a timeline of the $350B figure. Taken from the time when Obama first started giving aid following the annexation of Crimea, the number is accurate. But TDS....

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Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 22 February 2025 11:18:55 AM
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http://x.com/RonDeSNews/status/1892959206132666771
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 22 February 2025 11:22:03 AM
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This war is going nowhere. Ukrainians, Russians, North Koreas, Kazak and many others are being slaughtered over a moon-scape of territory. Russia has no ability to take Ukraine en toto, at least while-ever it has US support (they can't even push Ukraine out of Russia) and Ukraine has no ability to retake what it thinks of as its own territory. The war has to stop and Trump is the only one who can do it.

Russia is no longer a threat to Europe despite what the warmongers say. Its army has been shown to be a paper tiger. Poland has been rearming with alacrity and would easily be able to fend off any Russian advances. There's already talk of a separate East European alliance - Poland, Hungary, Romania - that would be more than a match for Russia's depleted forces. Sure Putin has nukes but given what we've seen, there's some doubt they'd actually still work.

(Just on Poland..... remember that Lvov and most of western Ukraine used to be part of Poland. There is a scenario that sees Poland reclaim that territory to protect their cousins there. It goes like this...the US washes its hands of Ukraine but Ukraine continues to fight based on promises from the EU for support. The EU doesn't live up to its promises. Ukraine starts to unravel. Russia moves to take it all. Poland and its east European allies move their forces into Ukraine to stop Russia somewhere around a line between Kiev and Odessa. Poland saves Europe's bacon.)

(Of course that whole region used to be owned by Lithuania but we don't want a nation of antisemites controlling it now, do we?)

We see people like Foxy and AC whine at the drop of a hat at the supposed death toll in Gaza of 40000 during a year's fighting. Well credible estimates say that many die or are maimed on the Russian steppes each MONTH. Yet here they are cheering for more death and destruction. Hypocrites.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 22 February 2025 11:54:10 AM
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