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Trump runs wild and trips over domestic inflation and disinformation about Ukraine

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I simply can't understand a US President supporting the invasion
of a totalitarian regime over a nation's fight for its
freedom With China sailing so close to Sydney - this should
concern us.

The US Constitution has guaranteed the individual certain
fundamental rights and protections. Their laws are based on
the principle that law serves the individual, not the state.
and that state political interests cannot outweigh the
interests of the individual, who stands in law as a free
man.

In contrast, V.I. Lenin made it clear that, in his political
philosophy law has one primary goal :

"A law is a political measure. It is politics". No Soviet
authority or communist leader has abandoned this concept.
It has been applied to the territories "liberated" by
the Bolsheviks during the October revolution. In the
captive nations by the Red Army during WWII, and to the
lands won by military force or "wars of liberation"
in Asia, Africa, the Far East, and the Caribbean.

The American Revolution was fought to establish a man's
right to liberty and to restrain the power of his rulers.
The American Revolution thus created a concept of law
which was, and is, foreign to the system resulting from
the Bolshevik Revolution in communist controlled lands.

The distinction is one between freedom, control and
domination of the state over the individual.

Putin's perception of the law should be so repulsive to
an American president that the specter of Lenin's concept
of law would be unacceptable to the legal traditions
of Western democracies and the United States.

" At all times, vigilance is the price of liberty. We
must remain vigilant because while it might be someone
else today, it might be us further down the road years
from now. The measure of our society over history is
our fidelity to our principles. We must remind our
government and our people to remain faithful to those
principles or otherwise our society, like so many in
our past, will be swept on the ash heap of history".
( David E. Springer).
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 21 February 2025 10:09:07 AM
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"I simply can't understand a US President supporting the invasion
of a totalitarian regime over a nation's fight for its
freedom"

That's not what's happening at all. If you ever get around to trying to understand Trump's policies (yeh I know... never gunna happen) you'd see that the attitude to this and all the other foreign wars Biden and Obama got the US embroiled in, is much more nuanced.

Its not about supporting Russia's invasion. Trump doesn't do or say that. But its about recognising that this isn't the USA's fight.

Why should America have to defend Ukraine? Its the other side of the world with no US vital interests at stake. IF anyone's interests are at issue here, its Europe's. But they step back and let the US do the heavy lifting, and then criticise America for it.

Trump told the EU 8 years ago to increase their military spnding and reduce their reliance on Russian energy exports. They laughed at him. They rejected his advice and they cheered when he was pushed out of office. And when it all went pear-shaped they demanded the US bale them out. And Biden, who was receiving all sorts of bribes from Ukraine, obliged.

Trump won't oblige. This isn't America's fight. This has nothing to do with America unless you think America should again become the world's policeman.

Trump is president of the USA. His responsibility is to the USA, its people and its economic welfare. That's his ONLY responsibility. The US isn't required morally or legally to defend Ukraine (or Lithuania).

The American people voted for this and they are getting what they want. The Europeans treat the US with disdain and then whine when it comes back to bite them. Too bad.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 21 February 2025 12:13:02 PM
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In 2023, the US spent $860 billion on defence, dwarfing the combined defence budgets of all European Nato allies.

Now, Trump is using the Ukraine-Russia war to encourage Western countries to spend more on their own defence.

If Trump's plan for a ceasefire is rejected , as Ukraine's Little Dictator said it would be, the war will continue with the US walking away and taking its funding with it.

Then, it is forecast, Europe will be in real trouble, having to confront Russia without the will or the military capacity needed. Starmer has said the would send troops, but it’s unlikely that he would if the US walks away.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 21 February 2025 2:40:27 PM
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I told you all over 18mths ago that Ukraine was going to lose.
Anyone who paid attention knew the 2023 counter-offensive was not likely to succeed.
They advertised their plans in advance and Russia prepared strong defensive positions.
The plan was never really about Ukraine winning the war.
The plan was for the west to use the war to justify placing nation crippling sanctions on Russia that would lead to a political crisis and Putin's ousting.
Russia weathered the storm, has become much closer with China and is now much stronger militarily than when they started the war.

Ukraine has lost a million men in this war, and there is no way they can win or recapture lost territory.
Trump has to make a deal, or else there will soon be a complete collapse of the Ukrainian armed forces, at which point Russia will set terms.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 21 February 2025 3:22:00 PM
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The United States has been a member of NATO since 1949.
NATO is a military alliance that was formed to counter
the Soviet Union during the Cold War. When the Cold War
ended NATO was re-conceived as a "cooperative security
organization.".

NATO'S primary purpose today is to provide securityand
defense cooperation among its members.

Members of NATO support democracy over autocracy.At least
that used to be the case with the United States.
Not so sure if that remains the case under the current US
administration.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 21 February 2025 5:02:04 PM
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Scott Horton : How DC Provoked the New Cold War
http://www.youtube.com/live/ILbF51oQEWM

Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine - 690 pages
http://www.amazon.com.au/Provoked-Washington-Started-Catastrophe-Ukraine/dp/1733647376
"Over and over, U.S. government officials and their mainstream media allies called Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine an “unprovoked attack.” The slogan became so overused that people began to ask the obvious question: Why do they protest so much?

In Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine, Scott Horton explains how since the end of the last Cold War and the fall of the Soviet Union, successive U.S. administrations pressed their advantage against the new Russian Federation to the point that it finally blew up into a full-scale war between Russia and Ukraine.

From NATO expansion into Eastern Europe, to “shock therapy” economic policy, the Balkan and Chechen wars, color-coded revolutions, new missile defense systems, assassinations, Russiagate and ultimately the brutal conflict in Ukraine, Provoked shows what really happened and why it did not have to be this way."

You people need to stop listening to why the lying US funded USAID news tells you what to think, and start looking at their own policy papers.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 21 February 2025 5:16:16 PM
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