2000 Lol, you might want to go back half a century earlier...

The Covert Operation to Back Ukrainian Independence that Haunts the CIA
http://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/11/covert-operation-ukrainian-independence-haunts-cia-00029968
'After WWII, officials in Washington sent scores of agents to their deaths in a misguided effort to create an uprising against Moscow.'

Operation Red Sox, as it was known, was one of the first covert missions of the still new Cold War. The American-trained commandos would feed intelligence back to their handlers using new radio and communications equipment, STOKING NASCENT NATIONALIST MOVEMENTS IN UKRAINE, BELARUS, POLAND AND THE BALTICS.

USAID is a front or funding mechanism for the CIA and the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA moved their covert action over to the NED and if you don't believe me believe the people that actually worked there.

Watch the first 5 minutes of this.
http://www.youtube.com/live/Uys-d85-iug

You pretend to be smart and probably think you are, but you're not.

As for Putin, you might want to go back a decade before that.

The USSR's general privatization in the early 1990s involved selling state assets to the Russian public. The goal was to create profit-seeking businesses that didn't rely on government subsidies.
How did privatization happen?

The State Committee for State Property Management of the Russian Federation carried out the privatization.
Local governments organized auctions or authorized employee and management buy-outs.
Most small and medium enterprises (SMEs) were sold to insiders.

What were the results?

The privatization process created "oligarchs" who controlled large segments of the Russian economy.
Many of these oligarchs bought factories, stripped them, sold what they could, and then closed them.
This created huge job losses.
The privatization process led to a public backlash against capitalism in Russia.
The majority of the population saw their living standards drop, their social services collapse, and a great rise in crime and corruption.
The privatization process led to the emergence of Russian organized crime.
The collapse of medical services led to a decline in life expectancy.

Putin inherited a wrecked country in choas, with traitors and westerners trying to loot the country.
The first thing he had to deal with was the oligarchs, but it was a long process.
First he had to get them to stay out of political affairs and slowly rebuild the state.

Take Gorbachev's word for it.
Putin knows everything.

Gorbachev: Treachery killed USSR - BBC News
http://youtu.be/vj1IIlqGeu8?t=112

Trumps not seeking real peace with Russia.
He's just passing the problem off to the Europeans to focus on China.
It's still the same story and geopolitical aims as it always was, just rebranded with different leadership.
Not to mention that US military stockpiles are dwindling, so they are playing peacemaker to buy time.
Even after just a month or so in office we know pretty much where Trump's at by his own statements, and what U.S. policies he's continuing with in other parts of the world.

Why don't you tell me what the Wolfowitz Doctrine is?

DOGE is only cleaning out the Department of Defense to make sure they can build enough missiles, shells, and drones to bury China with.
The Chinese naval industrial capacity is some 270 times bigger that the United States, ad whose going to man them, rainbow haired DEI hires?

Our country and leadership is a total joke by the way.
They spent 4.7 billion on the Arafura class offshore patrol vessels and all they have is a 40mm main gun.
The Chinese could destroy them with PT boats.

"2000 Lol, you might want to go back half a century earlier..."

A mere half-century? What a cope out!

Let's go back to the Treaty of Andrusovo in 1667 where the Rus Empire took control of Kiev. If only the Poles had been able to hang on, we'd have none of these problems!!

See, what I'm trying to educate you on is the historic notion of proximate and non-proximate or underlying causes for war. Most wars have a combination of these two. In the case of the war on the Russian steppes taking place now, the underlying causes go back centuries and each person can place different emphasis on each.

The thing about underlying causes for war are that they are rarely decisive in causing the actual outbreak of war. They explain why there was animosity but they aren't the immediate cause.

In the case of this war, the immediate cause was Putin's decision to advance his aims of reuniting the Rus Empire by taking Kiev in a lightning raid while, he thought, his adversaries were at their weakest. That's why we say the war was caused by Putin invasion.

BTW he wasn't wrong in thinking the west was at its weakest point given its leadership at the time. Where he went wrong is that he didn't recognise how weak his own position was. He bought his own propaganda about how strong the Russian army was and found out pretty quickly that it was indeed a paper tiger

The reason I brought up U.S. CIA actions in USSR involving Ukrainian Nationalists (i.e Ex NAZI OUN Banderites) was because the U.S. never ended its relationship with them.
It continued until the Revolution of Dignity / EuroMaidan / Overthrow of the Ukrainian government under Viktor Yanukovych in 2014.

The REAL cause of the war was the U.S. bringing Ukraine into NATO.
Under Obama and then later Trump in his first term they started military training and the build-up of military hardware.
They were trained to a western NATO standard and were already acting as a de-facto member of NATO.

On 17 December 2021, prior to Russia's invasion the Russian government demanded NATO end all activity in its Eastern European member states and ban Ukraine or any former Soviet state from ever joining NATO, among other demands.
Jens stoltenberg openly stated this, NATO rejected it and as a result Russia recognised the independence of the Donetsk Peoples Republic and the Luhansk Peoples Republic, and entered the war on behalf of these regions under the right of collective self-defense.
- NATO themselves set the precedent for this when they they bombed Serbia in 1999 in defense of Kosovo. Kosovo didn't even become an independent country until 2008.

"The immediate cause was Putin's decision to advance his aims of reuniting the Rus Empire".
It's not true. He did not want western forces on the steppes just as the U.S. themselves would never accept such a thing which is why they have the Monroe Doctrine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine

Russia knew what the West was up to.
John McCain giving speeches in Kiev after the Maidan, saying the same stuff your parroting which is just USAID nonsense.
http://youtu.be/HdW4C1G5UuM
- And the U.S. own policy papers stated their intentions.
Do you think the Russians were not paying attention or were idiots?

Extending Russia - Competing from Advantageous Ground
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

All of Russias nuclear early warning systems used to be in Russias back-yard.
Western forces on the Russian border would put all these Soviet nuclear warning systems in their front yard.
I've told you all of this stuff before..

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Here is the full text of the US-Ukraine mineral deal … that represents, as it specifically states, “security guarantees needed to establish lasting peace” :

http://kyivindependent.com/exclusive-the-full-text-of-the-final-us-ukraine-mineral-agreement/

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