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Trump runs wild and trips over domestic inflation and disinformation about Ukraine

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"You know damn well I've been paying attention to this conflict since day dot."

And yet you don't recall that the Russians tried to capture Kiev.

And yet you don't recall telling us two years ago that Odessa would fall any day.

And yet you don't recall having it proven that your claims about the Russian language being banned were false.

And yet you don't recall telling us six months ago that the Kursk incursion would be defeated within a week.

And yet... and yet...and yet

Following this thing from day dot is useless when the opinions you follow continually lead you down the garden path.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 24 February 2025 10:06:30 AM
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"And yet you don't recall that the Russians tried to capture Kiev."
I know they laid siege to it, but I also know that 40,000 Russians were never going to take a city of 1 million.
Do you not recall Ukraine coming to the negotiating table?
Biden and Johnson put an end to that.

"And yet you don't recall telling us two years ago that Odessa would fall any day."
Not certain for sure, maybe I did, I'm not going to say I didn't.
The Russians were spread to thin, and many were getting to the end of their 6 month contracts, the West was talking up it's counteroffensive.
General Surovikin opted for pulling the troops back to the left bank of the Dnieper and setting up defensive positions.
The tactical withdrawal, (or retreat if you want to call it that) went well in Kherson, not so great in the Kharkiv / Kupiansk area.
Ukrainians said they'd be swimming on the beach in Crimea.
Didn't happen.

"And yet you don't recall having it proven that your claims about the Russian language being banned were false."
- I still stand by those statements. New language laws meant Russian speaking Ukrainians couldn't easily run for office and Russian speaking kids had to learn Ukrainian to go to school.

"And yet you don't recall telling us six months ago that the Kursk incursion would be defeated within a week."
- I probably said that, but Ukraine has lost tens of thousands there and didn't achieve it's goals of taking the Kursk NPP, meanwhile Russia was able to make further gains in the east in territory the already claim as their own.

The Russian plan isn't to make big moves for territorial gains that risk greater loss of men and equipment, their aim is to grind the Ukrainians down in a battle of attrition, destroy the Ukrainian military entirely and take what they wanted after military collapse.
i.e. Russia wins and they get to set the terms.

Trump has little to bargain with.
Russia doesn't particularly care about removal of sanctions.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 24 February 2025 11:46:43 AM
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Ukraine-Russia Peace Is as Elusive as Ever. But in 2022 They Were Talking.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html
'Representatives from the warring nations held peace talks in the early weeks of the Russian invasion. They fizzled. Documents from those talks show why any new ones will face major obstacles.'

>>Russia demanded that Ukraine make Russian an official language.

“Ukraine, within 30 (thirty) days after signing this Treaty, shall remove all restrictions on the use of the Russian language in any area in accordance with Annex 2.”<<

These documents date from March to April 2022.
Will you finally admit that the new language laws were an issue for Russia at the start of the war mhaze?
Will you finally admit that your witch-hunt against me over the language laws for these last 3 years was baseless?
Copies of the interim peace-agreement are available at the bottom of the article, if you're paywalled out, disable javascript.
(FYI, I haven't read them)
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 24 February 2025 1:08:23 PM
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Now we a re at the point when we can't tell if AC's memory is just atrocious or he's deliberately distorting things to hide his errors.

1. The attack on Kiev.... the attack on Kiev started a few days after Putin had declared war. The intention was to make a rapid descent on Kiev from Belarus, kill or remove the government, install a puppet government and end the war. About 50,000 Russians were involved which, despite your lack of military knowledge is more than enough to capture a city of 1 million civilians. The thrust of the attack was an airborne assault on the Kiev airport. This was defeated by elite Ukraine forces.

From that time on the Russian attack faulted. Thinking they'd be in Kiev in a week, they had developed poor supply lines and inadequate supplies. Due to the winter attack they were forced to stay on paved roads and became easy targets for Ukrinian forces using Javelin missiles. The assault stopped and a 40km road jam developed.

Two weeks after the assault began the Russians called a retreat as their forces melted away. Many civilians were executed during the retreat.

To save face, Putin claimed the retreat was a goodwill gesture and many on those who fall for such things, such as AC, believed the lie.

2. Russian language... Now you're rewriting things. You originally claimed Ukraine had banned the Russian language. You naively said tha Lavrov had said it and he wouldn't lie!! I showed you the actual Ukrainian legislation, THE ACTUAL LEGISLATION, which proved that Russian wasn't being banned but that Ukrainian was being made the official language of Ukraine, just like Russian is the official language of Russia and English is the official language of England. Wow, big surprise, heh!. At the time you acknowledged you were misled and that indeed Russian wasn't being banned. Have you forgotten that or are you just outright lying now?
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 24 February 2025 1:55:55 PM
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You showed the 2017 or 2018 legislation not the 2014 changes after the western sponsored coup which you claimed was grassroots even though Victoria Nuland admitted spending 5 billion (USAID) overthrowing the country in a western sponsored coup. And truth was the US had maintained ties via the CIA with the Neo Nazis since the end of WWII.

In any case, it doesn't matter because Ukraine lacks the ability to win either way.
And I'm not sure Trump will even be able to make a deal in any hurry, because the Ukrainians still want to throw bodies into the meat grinder.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 24 February 2025 6:47:48 PM
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The world has become a frightening place for the Left in the aftermath of Donald Trump’s election.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 25 February 2025 7:21:31 AM
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